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... have rights other than those we grant ourselves?
Are "human rights" written in stone somewhere to be discovered or do we make them up as we go along?
Is the concept of "human rights" self-serving or altruistic?
This is the Human Rights thread, please post your views.

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Originally posted by KneverKnight
... have rights other than those we grant ourselves?
Are "human rights" written in stone somewhere to be discovered or do we make them up as we go along?
Is the concept of "human rights" self-serving or altruistic?
This is the Human Rights thread, please post your views.
Please post yours.

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Originally posted by KneverKnight
... have rights other than those we grant ourselves?
Are "human rights" written in stone somewhere to be discovered or do we make them up as we go along?
Is the concept of "human rights" self-serving or altruistic?
This is the Human Rights thread, please post your views.
"Human rights" are what humans define them to be.

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Originally posted by jammer
Please post yours.
I think we invented them.

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Originally posted by KneverKnight
I think we invented them.
OK, thanks.
Great topic

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Originally posted by AThousandYoung
"Human rights" are what humans define them to be.
Majority rules, strength of arguement by a learned body or some other criteria?

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Originally posted by jammer
OK, thanks.
Great topic
I'm just trying to see what people think about this.

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Originally posted by KneverKnight
... have rights other than those we grant ourselves?
Are "human rights" written in stone somewhere to be discovered or do we make them up as we go along?
Is the concept of "human rights" self-serving or altruistic?
This is the Human Rights thread, please post your views.
We have all kinds of biological inevitabilities that we are presumptious enough to define as "rights".

Life, death, cellular replication, reproduction, blah, blah, blah.

Regardless of what we think, these are accidents of existence, allied to the wonderful gift of just being here now.

What we codify as "rights", across our various cultures, say more about our sociocultural beliefs than any inherent premise, promise, obligation or reward.

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Originally posted by widget
We have all kinds of biological inevitabilities that we are presumptious enough to define as "rights".

Life, death, cellular replication, reproduction, blah, blah, blah.

Regardless of what we think, these are accidents of existence, allied to the wonderful gift of just being here now.

What we codify as "rights", across our various cultures, say more about our sociocultural beliefs than any inherent premise, promise, obligation or reward.
You seem to be saying we make up the rights as we go along ...

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Originally posted by KneverKnight
I'm just trying to see what people think about this.
Being an arrogant American i'll declare .. Life, Liberty and the pusuit of happiness.
Those "rights" are unalienable .. you could look it up.

It's true, we grant these rights to ourselves.
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The real truth is .. you only get to keep those "rights" you're able and willing to defend.

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Originally posted by KneverKnight
You seem to be saying we make up the rights as we go along ...
Of course we do... and change them as we change ourselves.

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Like it or not, what constitutes a right is purely at the discretion of the ruling body.

As far as what morally constitutes a right, this is purely subjective, and is in the same domain as morals themselves.

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Originally posted by KneverKnight
Majority rules, strength of arguement by a learned body or some other criteria?
Any individual can define them however he wants. The rights will be recognized only if people can convince other people through persuasion or can force the rights to be respected through force.

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Originally posted by Rochade
The one thing what seperates mankind from the animals is to look for older or weaker individuals of our species.
But almost every other species also looks to protect the older or weaker of their kind too. Look at any mothers instinct to protect it's child.

We ARE animals. I wish people would stop trying to seperate us from them. There is no us and them.

As for human rights, we have the right to mind our own business without being molested/killed/threatened/eaten, etc, as long as we do not impose on those same rights of someone else. Once we start to assume our own rights are more important than someone elses, we lose those rights.

It's a balance between rights and responsibilities.

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