Originally posted by ivanhoeAs usual, your definition of evil differs vastly from the general concensus. You have also answered every question directed at you with a question, as usual. I am bored of your style of debate hoe, it's like having a conversation with one of those 1980s speech robots like 'Eliza', where if they didn't have a pre-programmed response to your sentence, they'd just repeat your question back at you.
Reading the forums I can't help noticing that certain debaters hold the position that one has the right to do evil. One has a "right" to damage oneself and one has a right to damage others.
.... and all this in the name of human "autonomy" and human "freedom".
Do you agree with those debaters or do you hold a different position ?
One has a right to damage one's self with drugs and a right to damage others with words. Is this evil? No, welcome to life, perhaps you could get over it quietly?
Originally posted by ivanhoeYou directed comments at every sentence in my post except the one in which i asked you to please cite specific examples. I even said "please" in a polite and agreeable fashion. You see, hoe, you only look for the bad in people! What do you expect to find in that case?
LJ: "I don't think you know what you are talking about here."
I see.
LJ: "I think it is probably the case that people are advocating practices that you personally view as evil, but which they do not."
Hhhmm ....
LJ: " I doubt they are simultaneously holding the beliefs that one has the right to do X and that it is evil to do X ... "
You assume that people are rational beings .... that's very noble of you.
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Originally posted by StarrmanStarrman .... one of my biggest fans ... how are you ?
You have also answered every question directed at you with a question, as usual. I am bored of your style of debate hoe, it's like having a conversation with one of those 1980s speech robots like 'Eliza', where if they didn't have a pre-programmed response to your sentence, they'd just repeat your question back at you.
One has a right to damage one's se ...[text shortened]... rs with words. Is this evil? No, welcome to life, perhaps you could get over it quietly?
Starrman: "As usual, your definition of evil differs vastly from the general concensus."
I reread this sentence many times. Its framing and meaning is mysterious in more than one way .......
Edit: I thought about it, but from your mouth this should be a compliment, but apparently it is not .... confusing and enigmatic, I must admit ...
Originally posted by dottewellDottewell: "But your post does raise interesting questions about how we should conceive of "rights"."
Having a right which could be exercised/exploited for evil purposes is probably best not described as "a right to do evil".
But your post does raise interesting questions about how we should conceive of "rights".
Thank you !
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And here is another example:
My body is such that my bone marrow is an exact match for two young children who are dying of a rare disease. I am aware of this. It has been arranged that they will receive a transplant from me on Tueday.
Does my right to autonomy include the right to kill myself by setting myself on fire (destroying my body completely) on Monday?
Originally posted by LemonJelloIf you read my posts in this thread you will understand why I didn't adress this specific question in your post. I allready gave the examples in other posts directed at other debaters.
You directed comments at every sentence in my post except the one in which i asked you to please cite specific examples. I even said "please" in a polite and agreeable fashion. You see, hoe, you only look for the bad in people! What do you expect to find in that case?
The "right" to offend/insult/verbally abuse and the "right" to use drugs that are damaging to your psyche and body.
Do these examples count for you or do you want me to repeat them in a post specifically adressed to you ? You know I am here to serve ......
Originally posted by dottewellNot in my book.
And here is another example:
My body is such that my bone marrow is an exact match for two young children who are dying of a rare disease. I am aware of this. It has been arranged that they will receive a transplant from me on Tueday.
Does my right to autonomy include the right to kill myself by setting myself on fire (destroying my body completely) on Monday?
By the way, why is it that you mention two children ?
... because this is not the end of the story, right ? 🙂
Originally posted by LemonJelloLJ: "LJ still thinks you don't know what you are talking about here."
LJ still thinks you don't know what you are talking about here. Please and thank you.
That's why I invited you to shine your undoubtedly clarifying light upon matters. Don't you feel like entering a debate about moral universalism versus moral relativism here ?
Don't you feel like entering a debate on how ethical truths are established or discovered ? By voting on issues ? Does one decide on moral issues by asking the majority ? Surely not .... but I don't know what I am talking about, so .....
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Originally posted by ivanhoeNothing that exciting, I'm afraid.
By the way, why is it that you mention two children ?
... because this is not the end of the story, right ? 🙂
It was just to raise the question whether the number of lives I could save might be a relevant consideration.
I'm not saying I agree with you; I would still argue that I may have a right to do it. Whether it would be the correct thing to do is another matter. And it does leave the question: what does it mean to say I have a "right" to do it?
Originally posted by ivanhoe
Starrman .... one of my biggest fans ... how are you ?
Don't flatter yourself.
I reread this sentence many times. Its framing and meaning is mysterious in more than one way .......
How umm, wonderful... I guess that's just how I move, no, wait, that's god. Do you like mysteries ivanhoe?
Originally posted by StarrmanStarrman: " Do you like mysteries ivanhoe?"
Originally posted by ivanhoe
[b]Starrman .... one of my biggest fans ... how are you ?
Don't flatter yourself.
I reread this sentence many times. Its framing and meaning is mysterious in more than one way .......
How umm, wonderful... I guess that's just how I move, no, wait, that's god. Do you like mysteries ivanhoe?[/b]
Yes, I like people.