28 Feb 06
Reading the forums I can't help noticing that certain debaters hold the position that one has the right to do evil. One has a "right" to damage oneself and one has a right to damage others.
.... and all this in the name of human "autonomy" and human "freedom".
Do you agree with those debaters or do you hold a different position ?
28 Feb 06
Originally posted by ivanhoeGive an example of an evil that has been claimed as a right.
Reading the forums I can't help noticing that certain debaters hold the position that one has the right to do evil. One has a "right" to damage oneself and one has a right to damage others.
.... and all this in the name of human "autonomy" and human "freedom".
Do you agree with those debaters or do you hold a different position ?
28 Feb 06
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Originally posted by ivanhoeI don't think you know what you are talking about here. Please cite some specific examples. I think it is probably the case that people are advocating practices that you personally view as evil, but which they do not. I doubt they are simultaneously holding the beliefs that one has the right to do X and that it is evil to do X.
Reading the forums I can't help noticing that certain debaters hold the position that one has the right to do evil. One has a "right" to damage oneself and one has a right to damage others.
.... and all this in the name of human "autonomy" and human "freedom".
Do you agree with those debaters or do you hold a different position ?
28 Feb 06
Originally posted by ivanhoeIt is only evil if the majority of people deem it so.
Reading the forums I can't help noticing that certain debaters hold the position that one has the right to do evil. One has a "right" to damage oneself and one has a right to damage others.
.... and all this in the name of human "autonomy" and human "freedom".
Do you agree with those debaters or do you hold a different position ?
28 Feb 06
Originally posted by ivanhoeLet's talk about the drug aspect of a "right" to damage oneself. I have a couple of questions.
Reading the forums I can't help noticing that certain debaters hold the position that one has the right to do evil. One has a "right" to damage oneself and one has a right to damage others.
.... and all this in the name of human "autonomy" and human "freedom".
Do you agree with those debaters or do you hold a different position ?
Do you subscribe to the belief that addiction is a disease?
Do you have the same feelings about a diabetic willfully eating apple pie ala mode against doctor's advice?
28 Feb 06
The concept of right is fundamentally flawed. One cannot objectively resolve one or more contentions into a set of rights.
Hence, the time you spent writing in this thread could have been better utilised pleasuring your wife/girlfriend/yourself/goat/all of the above.
28 Feb 06
Originally posted by DoctorScribblesWhat is your stance on this ?
Who has claimed that verbal abuse is both evil and a right?
Who has claimed that using unhealthy drugs is both evil and a right?
Is offending/insulting somebody morally wrong/evil ?
Is taking drugs that damage your body and psyche morally wrong/evil ?
28 Feb 06
Originally posted by LemonJelloLJ: "I don't think you know what you are talking about here."
I don't think you know what you are talking about here. Please cite some specific examples. I think it is probably the case that people are advocating practices that you personally view as evil, but which they do not. I doubt they are simultaneously holding the beliefs that one has the right to do X and that it is evil to do X.
I see.
LJ: "I think it is probably the case that people are advocating practices that you personally view as evil, but which they do not."
Hhhmm ....
LJ: " I doubt they are simultaneously holding the beliefs that one has the right to do X and that it is evil to do X ... "
You assume that people are rational beings .... that's very noble of you.
28 Feb 06
Originally posted by kirksey957Kirk: "Do you subscribe to the belief that addiction is a disease?"
Let's talk about the drug aspect of a "right" to damage oneself. I have a couple of questions.
Do you subscribe to the belief that addiction is a disease?
Do you have the same feelings about a diabetic willfully eating apple pie ala mode against doctor's advice?
It depends. The "free will part" involved constitutes the wrong/evil aspect I guess.
Kirk: "Do you have the same feelings about a diabetic willfully eating apple pie ala mode against doctor's advice?
If he willfully and continuously goes against his doctor's advice, yes, this constitutes wrongdoing/evildoing.
28 Feb 06
Originally posted by ivanhoeDo you think the following two claims are inconsistent?
Reading the forums I can't help noticing that certain debaters hold the position that one has the right to do evil. One has a "right" to damage oneself and one has a right to damage others.
.... and all this in the name of human "autonomy" and human "freedom".
Do you agree with those debaters or do you hold a different position ?
1) I have a right to say things to people I know they'll find offensive.
2) I ought not say things to people I know they'll find offensive.
This is an interesting ethical question, what do you think?
28 Feb 06
Originally posted by bbarrIt depends on what the actual statement is of course, but in general I do not find the two claims inconsistent ..... I am not a literalist, ya know ....
Do you think the following two claims are inconsistent?
1) I have a right to say things to people I know they'll find offensive.
2) I ought not say things to people I know they'll find offensive.
This is an interesting ethical question, what do you think?