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Let's think about the following situation in scriptural terms, ie respond to this according to any specified set of religious beliefs.

A deity is in charge of running the universe; this is a hard thing, so he/she/it decides to deal mostly with the really big, fundamentally important technical issues (making sure the Heavens stay Platonically sexy, for instance) and gathers up minions of some kind (angels, say) to interface with the life which He/She/It has created--these minions are charged with ensuring that people don't sin, and that those who do are punished or corrected.

Do the minions necessarily act purely according to the deity's (implicit) wishes? How do they know what the wishes are? Should they act in this way? How might the minions' interests interfere with God's Work?

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Originally posted by royalchicken
Let's think about the following situation in scriptural terms, ie respond to this according to any specified set of religious beliefs.

A deity is in charge of running the universe; this is a hard thing, so he/she/it decides to deal mostly with the really big, fundamentally important technical issues (making sure the Heavens stay Platonically sexy, f ...[text shortened]... ey act in this way? How might the minions' interests interfere with God's Work?

Discuss.
"Do the minions necessarily act purely according to the deity's (implicit) wishes? How do they know what the wishes are? Should they act in this way? How might the minions' interests interfere with God's Work?"

I think one basic assumption leads to a fairly straightforward analysis.

1. A being is God if and only if that being is omniscient.

From 1, it follows that the minions cannot completely know God's wishes,
and thus it would be impossible for them to follow God's wishes perfectly.

So the answer to the first question is No.
The answer to the second is that God may give them guidelines, but due to 1,
they cannot perfectly know his wishes.

The answer to the third question is that they should act
to the best of their ability to fulfill God's wishes as they
understand them.

The answer to the fourth question completely depends on the integrity
of the minions in their role as servants of God. The higher the integrity,
the less likely they will be to stray from God's wishes and impose thier
own will upon the lowly creatures of the earth.

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Originally posted by royalchicken
"Do the minions necessarily act purely according to the deity's (implicit) wishes? How do they know what the wishes are? Should they act in this way? How might the minions' interests interfere with God's Work?"

I think one basic assumption leads to a fairly straightforward analysis.

1. A being is God if and only if that being is omniscient. ...[text shortened]... e to stray from God's wishes and impose thier
own will upon the lowly creatures of the earth.
Why would an omnipotent being need any minions at all? Could he not do all the tasks he assigned to them more easily himself and thus avoid the possibility of miscommunication? I mean, you know what they say, if you want something done right, then do it yourself.

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Originally posted by rwingett
Why would an omnipotent being need any minions at all? Could he not do all the tasks he assigned to them more easily himself and thus avoid the possibility of miscommunication? I mean, you know what they say, if you want something done right, then do it yourself.
all god requires of us is to worship him and to do what he requests, as in the exodus from Egypt they, asked god delivered, but it is we who turn away and untill we turn back god lets man do what man wants

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Originally posted by rwingett
Why would an omnipotent being need any minions at all? Could he not do all the tasks he assigned to them more easily himself and thus avoid the possibility of miscommunication? I mean, you know what they say, if you want something done right, then do it yourself.
According to Christians, God doesn't need human helpers. However, the same people say He loves us all, so I suppose all bets are off.

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Originally posted by Acolyte
According to Christians, God doesn't need human helpers. However, the same people say He loves us all, so I suppose all bets are off.
"According to Christians, God doesn't need human helpers"

Oops, where did you get that idea ? Please explain why you assume this.

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Originally posted by ivanhoe
"According to Christians, God doesn't need human helpers"

Oops, where did you get that idea ? Please explain why you assume this.
Maybe that's a misperception. What does God need us for, then?

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Originally posted by stoker
all god requires of us is to worship him and to do what he requests, as in the exodus from Egypt they, asked god delivered, but it is we who turn away and untill we turn back god lets man do what man wants
just a footnote to my post, the flee from Egypt god was willing to wipe them out as all they did was complain no matter what gods wonders before them. This in my view shows us how we are and one reason why god doesnot intercede our works on earth. Yet we complain we do not see any of gods graces, they did!

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Originally posted by Acolyte
Maybe that's a misperception. What does God need us for, then?

The Bible often speaks of the labourers in the vineyard. The vineyard being the Kingdom of God.

God needs us to do His Work in the vineyard. We can choose to be His instruments.

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Originally posted by royalchicken
"Do the minions necessarily act purely according to the deity's (implicit) wishes? How do they know what the wishes are? Should they act in this way? How might the minions' interests interfere with God's Work?" [/i]

The only problem is that you're trying to understand God more than he allows you to understand Him.

As the past and future has already been decided, events in our lives have already been played out.

Don't know the answer to the question Chicken, that either means God is logically flawed, or logic is flawed.

I think a recent bit a research at UCL in the UK showed that future events can affect past events. Weird and illogical, but then I don't think we can quite comprehend as much as we'd like to.

cheers

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I think a recent bit a research at UCL in the UK showed that future events can affect past events. Weird and illogical, but then I don't think we can quite comprehend as much as we'd like to.

cheers

Weird, do you have a source for this?

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Originally posted by bbarr
Weird, do you have a source for this?

New Scientist last year some time had article on this. Will see if I can find the copy.

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Originally posted by Acolyte
According to Christians, God doesn't need human helpers. However, the same people say He loves us all, so I suppose all bets are off.
God doesn't need anything. He's Almigthy!

"But God demonstrated His love torward US, in that , while we were yet sinners, Christ died FOR US". Romans 5:8

Would you believe in Christ that HE did that for you?


In friendship,

Albert

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Originally posted by pcaspian
The only problem is that you're trying to understand God more than he allows you to understand Him.
My only problem with this response is that it's such a catch-all. What if God isn't such a nice guy after all, but he doesn't allow us to comprehend this?

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