Donald Trump in the Epstein files

@sonhouse said
Unless we win house and senate come '26 then impeachment would be back on the table, Impeach # THREE that is.

True, we saw that a Republican Senate doesn't have the huevos to vote to remove, so any impeachment brought by the House without a Senate majority is wasted time, like we found out twice in his first term.

@AverageJoe1 said
This one says that 'nothing sticks' to Trump. He never said that about horemonger Bill Clinton, who was in fact referred to as Teflon Bill. You fellers need to think before you post.
I surely look forward to Zahlanizi and Moonbeam posts.

I never heard Teflon Bill, but I've heard Teflon Don numerous times. An electorate that doesn't mind getting fooled again isn't prepared to listen to truth anyways.

@AverageJoe1 said
Trump needs no defending. Our time is best spent in reveling, celebrating the future. Yours, in agony, talking of nothing but discontent. In the end, America will be in great prosperity. It will be there for you turkeys to enjoy with us, but we will have had fun for these 4 years. No life wasted on our side.
Downer.

There is no future with Trump.

He's all about scorched earth. He always leaves things far worse than he found them.

Trump has turned back numerous EOs of presidents before him.

The next guy, unless he's another narcissistic fruitcake, should throw out every single EO Trump signed. Make it like Trump never happened.

@Suzianne said
There is no future with Trump.

He's all about scorched earth. He always leaves things far worse than he found them.

Trump has turned back numerous EOs of presidents before him.

The next guy, unless he's another narcissistic fruitcake, should throw out every single EO Trump signed. Make it like Trump never happened.

While it's true that the orange TACO leaves everything worse off for everyone except himself I don't think it matters too much which Dem comes after him. Pax Americana is done and we are seeing the end of the US hegemony in real time. Highly probably, the cost of Trump will be felt for generations. There are simply too many loses to count; Reputation, credibility, stability, and the rule of law matters in (international) politics and the US has lost all of that.

From a purely economic standpoint the world doesn't need the US long term, and most (former) allies are moving away from any dependency.
Canada, the EU, the Commonwealth, Japan, South Korea, and South America are going out of their way to have trade talks while mostly keeping them secret to keep the TACO from doing more insanity. Short term it will be hard for everyone. Especially because of the need for US services, but when Trump leaves office it'll already be too late to go back. The US/Canada relationship will likely never be the same. The EU (war) machine is starting up and instead of an economic ally the US will have a powerful competitor. China, Japan, and South Korea are in advanced (and public) trade talks.

The TACO has already happened, and we are all worse off because of it.

@Lundos said
While it's true that the orange TACO leaves everything worse off for everyone except himself I don't think it matters too much which Dem comes after him. Pax Americana is done and we are seeing the end of the US hegemony in real time. Highly probably, the cost of Trump will be felt for generations. There are simply too many loses to count; Reputation, credibility, stability, a ...[text shortened]... (and public) trade talks.

The TACO has already happened, and we are all worse off because of it.

Agreed. The damage Trump has already done to U.S. standing in the world may be irreparable, and worse is yet to come. Trump's penchant for tearing up treaties unilaterally on a whim has demonstrated that the U.S. is not a reliable negotiating partner, and other nations would be wise to respond in kind -- that is, to treat the U.S. as a petulant child, not an adult. The cancelation of USAID has sent many Third World countries running into the open arms of China, and they won't come running back just because Trump leaves office (whether in a helicopter or a body bag matters not). Trump's cancelation of entry visas for foreign students and research grants has already triggered a brain drain, and this will ultimately topple America from its dominant position as the world's leader in technological innovation. Many foreign students are already changing their applications of first choice from the U.S. to the U.K. -- LSE, Oxford, and Cambridge have already seen a significant uptick in applications from outside the U.K., while U.S. universities have seen a downturn. The dumbing down of America will be catastrophic for America's prospects for another hundred years. It is sad to watch a great nation make itself willfully stupid. But there you have it, AvJoe refuses to pay for his neighbor's kids' college educations, and there's just no persuading him that having stupid neighbors leads them to vote stupid people into office too. People like MTG, who did not even read the OBBB before voting to approve it.

@moonbus said
Agreed. The damage Trump has already done to U.S. standing in the world may be irreparable, and worse is yet to come. Trump's penchant for tearing up treaties unilaterally on a whim has demonstrated that the U.S. is not a reliable negotiating partner, and other nations would be wise to respond in kind -- that is, to treat the U.S. as a petulant child, not an adult. The cancel ...[text shortened]... ust no persuading him that having stupid neighbors leads them to vote stupid people into office too.

Unfortunately, that is all true. And you didn't even mention the debt problem and the extra cost of borrowing when no one trusts you. The damage done by orange TACO will be generational.

I will mention it once again to the MAGA crowd; not only is this your fault. You supported and celebrated it.

@Lundos said
While it's true that the orange TACO leaves everything worse off for everyone except himself I don't think it matters too much which Dem comes after him. Pax Americana is done and we are seeing the end of the US hegemony in real time. Highly probably, the cost of Trump will be felt for generations. There are simply too many loses to count; Reputation, credibility, stability, a ...[text shortened]... (and public) trade talks.

The TACO has already happened, and we are all worse off because of it.

This post, much longer than a post from Wealthy Elites, page 4, by Sue, (the word 'you' 19 times), does not contain the word 'you' even one time.

@AverageJoe1 said
This post, much longer than a post from Wealthy Elites, page 4, by Sue, (the word 'you' 19 times), does not contain the word 'you' even one time.

Oh, well I guess THAT means Trump is exonerated of all charges then after that DEVESTATING rebuttal.

@sonhouse said
Oh, well I guess THAT means Trump is exonerated of all charges then after that DEVESTATING rebuttal.

Hello, Sonhouse. I read Moonbus above, to whom I think you meant to respond.

What charges?

@AverageJoe1 said
This post, much longer than a post from Wealthy Elites, page 4, by Sue, (the word 'you' 19 times), does not contain the word 'you' even one time.

Are you bragging about being able to count to 19?

@Lundos said
Are you bragging about being able to count to 19?

I must be seeing things..... 'You' in your very post?? What is it with libs, so personal. Generally speaking, of course.

@Lundos said
Unfortunately, that is all true. And you didn't even mention the debt problem and the extra cost of borrowing when no one trusts you. The damage done by orange TACO will be generational.

I will mention it once again to the MAGA crowd; not only is this your fault. You supported and celebrated it.

America could take a lesson from history. The Athenians forged on alliance of city states and successfully defended Greece against a numerically vastly superior Persian invasion. But the Athenians got cocky and a generation later treated their allies almost as vassals, and demanded tribute in gold (let’s call it tariffs). The Spartans decided to put the Athenians in their place, and Athens’ allies, fed up with the Athenians' arrogance and isolationism, no longer came to Athens’ defense. And so Athens, without allies, was defeated in the Peloponnesian war. Trump seems to be doing his level worst to alienate America's traditional allies, and America will meet a similar fate. Not this year, not next year, but sooner than had Trump never occupied the Oval Office.

@moonbus said
America could take a lesson from history. The Athenians forged on alliance of city states and successfully defended Greece against a numerically vastly superior Persian invasion. But the Athenians got cocky and a generation later treated their allies almost as vassals, and demanded tribute in gold (let’s call it tariffs). The Spartans decided to put the Athenians in their pla ...[text shortened]... imilar fate. Not this year, not next year, but sooner than had Trump never occupied the Oval Office.

MAGA don't learn history. At least not unless it's some sort of revisionist version that fit their bias even if it's been debunked many, many times.

The orange TACO is vindictive and hateful. He's going after everyone that hasn't bowed and kissed the ring.

In the bigger picture all empires fail. So does all civilizations. Eternal dominance is impossible - and probably also not something to strive for.

@Lundos said
MAGA don't learn history. At least not unless it's some sort of revisionist version that fit their bias even if it's been debunked many, many times.

The orange TACO is vindictive and hateful. He's going after everyone that hasn't bowed and kissed the ring.

In the bigger picture all empires fail. So does all civilizations. Eternal dominance is impossible - and probably also not something to strive for.

Trump certainly won't learn from his mistakes, because he never admits that he makes mistakes. His vindictiveness will eventually turn even his most devoted acolytes against him, as they recognize that throws everyone under a bus, sooner or later. He gives them a golden key and tells to them buzz off, just like Musk.

Trump commits two fundamental errors: he mis-over-estimates himself, and mis-under-estimates his (and therefore also America's) adversaries. If he thinks America can prevail against China alone, without Europe and NAFTA, he dooms America to second (or lower) place.

China already has the world's largest navy, and their AI systems have demonstrated equivalent computing power with much more efficient and less costly hardware. They aren't stopping there, while Trump scares away the best and brightest from America's universities.

It is a little early to predict the downfall of Pax Americana, but future historians will certainly view Trump as worse than merely a demographic aberration.

@AverageJoe1 said
Hello, Sonhouse. I read Moonbus above, to whom I think you meant to respond.

What charges?

Yes it was meant for you.
As far as you are concerned he is TOTALLY innocent of ANYTHING people come up with.

BTW, why can't you just admit you think our democracy is a failed experiment and you want your Lord Trump to become King Trump for real, above SCOTUS, DOJ, Senate and house.