Dr. Robert Malone

@metal-brain said
Dr, Malone has been working on vaccines for most of his life.
None of you can call him an anti-vaxxer. That must pain those that want to slander him. They cannot use their favorite misleading pejorative when someone tells the truth they don't like.

The gene vaccines are leaky. That means people who take the gene vaccine can still get the virus and spread it. Those people are hugging other people again. They are loving other people to death.

1. It is not a gene vaccine.
2. You obviously have no idea how vaccines work.
3. You’re in a rabbit hole, you can’t coms out of it. And personally, I think you should be put down for your own good.

@shavixmir said
1. It is not a gene vaccine.
2. You obviously have no idea how vaccines work.
3. You’re in a rabbit hole, you can’t coms out of it. And personally, I think you should be put down for your own good.

STOP LYING!

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33772572/

They are called gene vaccines.

https://hms.harvard.edu/news/gene-vaccine

Simple question: If the covid 19 vaccines the USA's FDA approved for use are not gene vaccines what are gene vaccines? You can either deny gene vaccines exist or explain what they are.

Do gene vaccines exist? If they don't, why does Harvard Medical School have an article called "gene vaccine" on their website? Are they making it up? Is Harvard Medical School a conspiracy website?

You have some explaining to do.

@metal-brain said
STOP LYING!

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33772572/

They are called gene vaccines.

https://hms.harvard.edu/news/gene-vaccine

Simple question: If the covid 19 vaccines the USA's FDA approved for use are not gene vaccines what are gene vaccines? You can either deny gene vaccines exist or explain what they are.

Do gene vaccines exist? If they don't, why doe ...[text shortened]... hey making it up? Is Harvard Medical School a conspiracy website?

You have some explaining to do.

No I do not.
Read the bloody article you posted.
A more recent article from Harvard makes it a little clearer for you: https://hms.harvard.edu/news/protection-accessibility-durability

So, you are basically linking to a Harvard study looking at gene therapy (AAV) single shot vaccinations, which are still in development.
And automatically assume that the current Covid vaccines are gene therapy as well.

Gene therapy ALTERS genes.
Covid vaccinations do not.

@shavixmir said
No I do not.
Read the bloody article you posted.
A more recent article from Harvard makes it a little clearer for you: https://hms.harvard.edu/news/protection-accessibility-durability

So, you are basically linking to a Harvard study looking at gene therapy (AAV) single shot vaccinations, which are still in development.
And automatically assume that the current Covid vaccines are gene therapy as well.

Gene therapy ALTERS genes.
Covid vaccinations do not.

"Gene therapy ALTERS genes"

That is false. I proved that with the FDA website and you know it.
You are a liar. Gene therapy can alter a gene, but it doesn't have to. Introducing a new or modified gene to alter the biological properties of your cells is gene therapy. That is what mRNA vaccines do. That is what viral vector vaccines do. The FDA also say viral vectors are gene therapy on their website.

The FDA is part of the US government and they say you are wrong.

https://www.fda.gov/vaccines-blood-biologics/cellular-gene-therapy-products/what-gene-therapy

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/different-vaccines/viralvector.html

@metal-brain said
"Gene therapy ALTERS genes"

That is false. I proved that with the FDA website and you know it.
You are a liar. Gene therapy can alter a gene, but it doesn't have to. Introducing a new or modified gene to alter the biological properties of your cells is gene therapy. That is what mRNA vaccines do. That is what viral vector vaccines do. The FDA also say viral vectors ar ...[text shortened]... g.

https://www.fda.gov/vaccines-blood-biologics/cellular-gene-therapy-products/what-gene-therapy

I am not wrong.

You do not comprehend what the FDA is stating on that website.

You are in a rabbit hole and should be put out of your misery. Seriously. Thread after bloody thread, post after bloody post.
You are wrong.

Phone up the FDA and ask them.
Mail them, and then post the reply.

Go on. Do it. Learn something for once. Because no matter how often you are told on this site, you refuse to believe it.

Contact the FDA directly. Ask them.

From your own bloody link:
“Gene therapy is a technique that modifies a person’s genes to treat or cure disease.”

@metal-brain said
Robert Malone mentioned he was being attacked by the Atlantic in the video, but you would not know that. You don't watch anything that is a threat to your fragile belief system. You are too terrified of what you would learn, so trolling misinformation is all you do.

You understand why the Atlantic is calling the truth misinformation and is spreading misinformation itself. You are offended by facts as much as anybody and lie about them. It is all you do.

Oh, the irony.

@shavixmir said
Can you read Dutch? I’ll link you to a Dutch site which completely debunks Malone’s claims about himself.

The man is just a small balled individual who didn’t get the recognition he thought he deserved and is lashing out and dangerously clinging to far flung and debunked theories.

He can't even read English, you want him to try Dutch?

@shavixmir said
No. There are too many posts and threads on this forum where you get to spew lies, misinformation and debunked theories already.

You should be locked up in spirituality and the key thrown away.

We already have Eladar over there.

Have mercy.

@suzianne said
Oh, the irony.

Stop trolling.
You are not here to debate. That is obvious.

@metal-brain said
Stop trolling.
You are not here to debate. That is obvious.

Neither are you.

@suzianne said
Neither are you.

LIAR!

@metal-brain said
LIAR!

You do not comprehend what the FDA is stating on that website.

You are in a rabbit hole and should be put out of your misery. Seriously. Thread after bloody thread, post after bloody post.
You are wrong.

Phone up the FDA and ask them.
Mail them, and then post the reply.

Go on. Do it. Learn something for once. Because no matter how often you are told on this site, you refuse to believe it.

Contact the FDA directly. Ask them.

From your own bloody link:
“Gene therapy is a technique that modifies a person’s genes to treat or cure disease.”

@metal-brain said
STOP LYING!

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33772572/

They are called gene vaccines.

https://hms.harvard.edu/news/gene-vaccine

Simple question: If the covid 19 vaccines the USA's FDA approved for use are not gene vaccines what are gene vaccines? You can either deny gene vaccines exist or explain what they are.

Do gene vaccines exist? If they don't, why doe ...[text shortened]... hey making it up? Is Harvard Medical School a conspiracy website?

You have some explaining to do.

I think where your confusion lies is in the title of the pubmed article you link to in your post.

Development of COVID-19 vaccines utilizing gene therapy technology

Hironori Nakagami. Int Immunol. 2021.

The vaccines in use for covid were developed using (wait for it) gene therapy technology. That does not make them gene therapies as has been patiently pointed out to you, because they do not actually alter your genes. They do use your gene machinery to produce a spike protein however, but once it has had its production run, it basically breaks up and is discarded, leaving your cells exactly as they were.

Its like if Coca Cola wanted to try a short run of a new recipe through their production plant and some coked up executive was paranoid that somehow this recipe would fundamentally reconfigure the plant so that it would never be able to pump out Classic Coke again...you just know that when everyone else in management stopped laughing that unless the executive caught on real quick they either were dispatched for a holiday at the funny farm or they were given a ride in the ejector seat. The one without the golden parachute. 😉

@kmax87 said
I think where your confusion lies is in the title of the pubmed article you link to in your post.

Development of COVID-19 vaccines utilizing gene therapy technology

Hironori Nakagami. Int Immunol. 2021.

The vaccines in use for covid were developed using (wait for it) gene therapy technology. That does not make them gene therapies as has been patiently pointed o ...[text shortened]... e funny farm or they were given a ride in the ejector seat. The one without the golden parachute. 😉

The article is from 2003. Apparently shav didn't notice that. They are far past the stage of development, they are here.

Here is an excerpt from that article:

"Gene vaccines are a new approach to immunization and immunotherapy in which, rather than a live or inactivated organism (or a subunit thereof), one or more genes that encode proteins of the pathogen are delivered."

That describes the mRNA and viral vector covid vaccines available in the US & UK perfectly.

@shavixmir said
I am not wrong.

You do not comprehend what the FDA is stating on that website.

You are in a rabbit hole and should be put out of your misery. Seriously. Thread after bloody thread, post after bloody post.
You are wrong.

Phone up the FDA and ask them.
Mail them, and then post the reply.

Go on. Do it. Learn something for once. Because no matter how often you are ...[text shortened]... bloody link:
“Gene therapy is a technique that modifies a person’s genes to treat or cure disease.”

This is why you are confused. Gene therapy is a technique that modifies a person’s genes to treat or cure disease. That is true, but it is not the only gene therapy technique. You omitted the first sentence. Here it is:

"Human gene therapy seeks to modify or manipulate the expression of a gene or to alter the biological properties of living cells for therapeutic use"

It says "or to alter the biological properties of living cells for therapeutic use".
That is what mRNA and viral vector vaccines do.

Furthermore, viral vectors are gene therapy. The FDA says so on their website:

"There are a variety of types of gene therapy products, including:"

Then they list 5 of them including this that is the second type on the list:

"Viral vectors: Viruses have a natural ability to deliver genetic material into cells, and therefore some gene therapy products are derived from viruses. Once viruses have been modified to remove their ability to cause infectious disease, these modified viruses can be used as vectors (vehicles) to carry therapeutic genes into human cells."

https://www.fda.gov/vaccines-blood-biologics/cellular-gene-therapy-products/what-gene-therapy

Some of the covid 19 vaccines are viral vectors. The J&J and Oxford/Astrazeneca vaccines are viral vectors.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/different-vaccines/viralvector.html

Fact: The FDA says viral vectors are a type of gene therapy.
Fact: The J&J and Oxford/Astrazeneca vaccines are viral vector vaccines.

Perhaps you would like to explain how a viral vector vaccine is not a viral vector.