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  1. Subscriber no1marauder
    It's Nice to Be Nice
    18 Jan '17 03:27
    Here's a little nugget for those who were foolish enough to believe that KIng Donald I was going to cut down on the influence of lobbyists and Big Money:

    Deep-pocketed donors face a decision on Wednesday night: whether to dine with the Vice President-elect at the National Portrait Gallery, or enjoy an "intimate policy discussion" with incoming Cabinet appointees at an exclusive dinner at the Library of Congress.

    The closed-door events, just two of many being held during inauguration week, were double-scheduled by planners. “It’s all messed up, they have the cabinet dinner and the V.P. dinner on the same night at the same time,” said a top donor of President-elect Donald Trump, who's torn over which to attend.

    The cost of admission for the Cabinet dinner is included in a package for either $100,000 or $250,000 to the presidential inaugural committee, while dinner with Vice President-elect Mike Pence is open to donors and corporate underwriters at the $500,000 and $1 million-level as part of multi-day itineraries, with the level of access determined by the amount of cash given, according to inauguration brochures obtained by POLITICO.

    http://www.politico.com/story/2017/01/donald-trump-cabinet-dinner-233721

    The article goes on the say this is all legal and that previous administrations have done the same thing though not at such elevated rates.

    A reasonable question might be: why? Why is this type of blatant corruption legal?
  2. Subscriber FreakyKBH
    Acquired Taste...
    18 Jan '17 03:41
    Originally posted by no1marauder
    Here's a little nugget for those who were foolish enough to believe that KIng Donald I was going to cut down on the influence of lobbyists and Big Money:

    Deep-pocketed donors face a decision on Wednesday night: whether to dine with the Vice President-elect at the National Portrait Gallery, [b]or enjoy an "intimate policy discussion" with incoming Cabi ...[text shortened]... ted rates.

    A reasonable question might be: why? Why is this type of blatant corruption legal?
    Why is the sky blue?
    The sun hot?
    Why does the light cool
    fall on earth from the moon?
    Why is the world flat?
    Who are stars to look down on us
    like that?
  3. Subscriber mchill
    Infinitorum
    18 Jan '17 03:58
    Originally posted by no1marauder
    Here's a little nugget for those who were foolish enough to believe that KIng Donald I was going to cut down on the influence of lobbyists and Big Money:

    Deep-pocketed donors face a decision on Wednesday night: whether to dine with the Vice President-elect at the National Portrait Gallery, [b]or enjoy an "intimate policy discussion" with incoming Cabi ...[text shortened]... ted rates.

    A reasonable question might be: why? Why is this type of blatant corruption legal?
    A reasonable question might be: why? Why is this type of blatant corruption legal?

    It shouldn't be legal. We all know that. If you have a solution, I'm interested in hearing about it.
  4. Subscriber Suzianne
    Misfit Queen
    18 Jan '17 11:12
    Originally posted by no1marauder
    Here's a little nugget for those who were foolish enough to believe that KIng Donald I was going to cut down on the influence of lobbyists and Big Money:

    Deep-pocketed donors face a decision on Wednesday night: whether to dine with the Vice President-elect at the National Portrait Gallery, [b]or enjoy an "intimate policy discussion" with incoming Cabi ...[text shortened]... ted rates.

    A reasonable question might be: why? Why is this type of blatant corruption legal?
    Because of Buckley v. Valeo (1976), which held that expenditure limits contravene the First Amendment provision on freedom of speech because spending money, in the Court's view, is the same as written or verbal expression and therefore cannot be limited and Citizens United v. Federal Election Commission (2010) which held that corporations may spend from their general treasuries during elections and McCutcheon v. Federal Election Commission (2014) which held that aggregate limits on political giving by an individual are unconstitutional. Since Trump has said he will appoint only conservative judges to the Court, his promises to "cut down on the influence of big money" seems like a big fat lie.

    Further evidence, like anyone really needed any, that he's only interested in the top 1%, and doesn't really give a damn about the "little guy" who still slavishly turned out and voted for him, against their best interests.
  5. Subscriber mchill
    Infinitorum
    18 Jan '17 11:47 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by Suzianne
    Because of Buckley v. Valeo (1976), which held that expenditure limits contravene the First Amendment provision on freedom of speech because spending money, in the Court's view, is the same as written or verbal expression and therefore cannot be limited and Citizens United v. Federal Election Commission (2010) which held that corporations may ...[text shortened]... the "little guy" who still slavishly turned out and voted for him, against their best interests.
    Further evidence, like anyone really needed any, that he's only interested in the top 1%, and doesn't really give a damn about the "little guy" who still slavishly turned out and voted for him, against their best interests.


    Yes indeed. It was quite a sales job, was it not? A New York billionaire managed to convince a big percentage of the working class that he and a cabinet full of other billionaire CEO types who've spent their careers exporting jobs, and exploiting the working class are now going to do a "180" and bring all those jobs back, and become the working man's friend. I guess you really can fool some of the people all of the time. I wonder if they'll still be singing his praises 4 years from now?
  6. Standard member shavixmir
    Guppy poo
    18 Jan '17 11:59
    Originally posted by FreakyKBH
    Why is the sky blue?
    The sun hot?
    Why does the light cool
    fall on earth from the moon?
    Why is the world flat?
    Who are stars to look down on us
    like that?
    The world is not flat.
  7. Subscriber FreakyKBH
    Acquired Taste...
    18 Jan '17 12:08
    Originally posted by shavixmir
    The world is not flat.
    You're right: it's a little bumpy.
    That's no excuse, shav,
    to be so grumpy.
  8. Standard member sh76
    Civis Americanus Sum
    18 Jan '17 13:21
    Originally posted by Suzianne
    Because of Buckley v. Valeo (1976), which held that expenditure limits contravene the First Amendment provision on freedom of speech because spending money, in the Court's view, is the same as written or verbal expression and therefore cannot be limited and Citizens United v. Federal Election Commission (2010) which held that corporations may ...[text shortened]... the "little guy" who still slavishly turned out and voted for him, against their best interests.
    All of those cases are about election speech. None of them protect selling access to sitting members of the government. Congress could certainly make that sort of thing illegal without offending the First Amendment.
  9. 18 Jan '17 13:22 / 2 edits
    Originally posted by mchill
    A reasonable question might be: why? Why is this type of blatant corruption legal?

    It shouldn't be legal. We all know that. If you have a solution, I'm interested in hearing about it.
    Them there politicians should pass laws against corruption in Washington.

    Reckon so.

    That's what should be done so now go!

    (I'm simply not the poet Freaky is)
  10. Subscriber FreakyKBH
    Acquired Taste...
    18 Jan '17 13:32
    Originally posted by whodey
    Them there politicians should pass laws against corruption in Washington.

    Reckon so.

    That's what should be done so now go!

    (I'm simply not the poet Freaky is)
    Drain thee the swamp
    be left with the mud, the mire
    who's left to run the joint
    who's not just as bad,
    not a liar?
  11. Subscriber Sleepyguy
    Reepy Rastardly Guy
    18 Jan '17 13:45 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by no1marauder
    A reasonable question might be: why? Why is this type of blatant corruption legal?
    Because the people we must rely on to make it illegal are the beneficiaries of the corrupt activity.
  12. Subscriber FreakyKBH
    Acquired Taste...
    18 Jan '17 14:00
    Originally posted by Sleepyguy
    Because the people we must rely on to make it illegal are the beneficiaries of the corrupt activity.
    Wait a gull-durn minnit!
    You insinuating they gamed the system?
    Wut?
  13. 18 Jan '17 14:13 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by Sleepyguy
    Because the people we must rely on to make it illegal are the beneficiaries of the corrupt activity.
    Nonsense. All we need to do is empower the Federal government more.

    Everything will take care of itself.

    All that needs to be done is get someone in the Oval Office with a "D" by their name.
  14. Subscriber no1marauder
    It's Nice to Be Nice
    18 Jan '17 15:43
    Originally posted by whodey
    Nonsense. All we need to do is empower the Federal government more.

    Everything will take care of itself.

    All that needs to be done is get someone in the Oval Office with a "D" by their name.
    Are you going to play this broken record in every single thread? Of course, everybody knows that corruption in the individual States is completely non-existent.
  15. Subscriber no1marauder
    It's Nice to Be Nice
    18 Jan '17 15:44 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by sh76
    All of those cases are about election speech. None of them protect selling access to sitting members of the government. Congress could certainly make that sort of thing illegal without offending the First Amendment.
    I'm not so sure. If "money is speech" as Scalia so elegantly put it, why can't I "speak" really loudly with a half million bucks?

    EDIT: Can't find for sure that Scalia did say that and the theory comes from Buckley v. Valeo, so I'll withdraw the attribution while still asking the rhetorical question.