Drought in California

Originally posted by twhitehead
Who told you that?

http://www.romanaqueducts.info/siphons/siphons.htm

Originally posted by AThousandYoung
http://www.romanaqueducts.info/siphons/siphons.htm

Roman aqueducts were a marvel of the time they ran water just imperceptibly downhill over many hundreds of miles.
But they never ran it uphill.
And Washington state to California is going to be uphill unless it's in a pressurized pipe.
And to get enough water to do California farmers any good that pipe better be big enough to get a jillion gallons a day into the dirt.
Ain't gonna happen.

Originally posted by whodey
I recently heard William Shattner propose building a water pipeline from Seattle to California at the cost of $30 billion since California will run out of water in about a year.

Thoughts?

Whodey...where do you come up with this nonsense?? I live in Seattle, and there are no water pipelines that are being built here going to California. I think you need to return to your special little alternate universe.🙄

...and when the band you're in starts playing DIFFERENT tunes, I'll see you on the dark side of the mood. - Pink Floyd

Originally posted by AThousandYoung
http://www.romanaqueducts.info/siphons/siphons.htm

Try to forgive Whodey...he hears things that only he can hear.🙄🙄🙄

http://www.governorwallyhickel.org/big-projects/water-pipeline-to-california/

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/william-shatner-to-launch-30-billion-kickstarter-campaign-for-water-pipeline-to-california/

Originally posted by FishHead111
Roman aqueducts were a marvel of the time they ran water just imperceptibly downhill over many hundreds of miles.
But they never ran it uphill.
And Washington state to California is going to be uphill unless it's in a pressurized pipe.
And to get enough water to do California farmers any good that pipe better be big enough to get a jillion gallons a day into the dirt.
Ain't gonna happen.

SIPHON = WATER GO UPHILL

Originally posted by AThousandYoung
SIPHON = WATER GO UPHILL

The South American systems were even more impressive, sending running water to the top of the temple and the rest of the city.

Originally posted by FishHead111
The way California is now there's not too many places that aren't better.
When I think of what Los Angeles/So Cal was like when I was a child in the 1950's compared to what it is today, and what the future looks like for it, I cringe.

People who migrated to California did so voluntarily, and they can choose to leave the same way if water becomes too expensive or not available. You are right, much of the southwest has similar problems.

From wikipedia:

"Agriculture is one of the prominent elements of the state's economy: California leads the nation in the production of fruits, vegetables, wines and nuts. The state's most valuable crops are cannabis,[11] nuts, grapes, cotton, flowers, and oranges. California produces the major share of U.S. domestic wine. Dairy products contribute the single largest share of farm income. California's farms are highly productive as a result of good soil, a long growing season, the use of modern agricultural methods and extensive irrigation. Irrigation is critical since the long dry summers would not allow most crops to grow here--California Indians had almost no agriculture because of this. Extensive and expensive irrigation systems including furrow "gravity" irrigation, sprinkler and Drip irrigation systems have been developed to supply the extensive irrigation needs of California.[12] Illegal immigration to the United States has been traditionally drawn to the state, in part, because corporations face intense pressure to control labor costs by using illegal means to harvest California's extensive crops."

Note that "dairy products" require a lot of water, because you need to grow the bovine fodder, and you must also give the bovines something to drink.

The exact number escapes me, but about 90% of CA's water use is agricultural, and likely every state imports a significant amount of food from CA. If the other 49 decide to say "screw you, all you do is make terrible movies now", the repercussions would be felt not just locally. In hindsight, perhaps it wasn't the best idea to build the primary agricultural center in a desert.

I think from where we are now, one of the important factors to look at is shifting the agriculture industry toward more sustainable lands. The current model is like relying on a mosquito to do all the work.

Some additional uplifting articles for meditation:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Owens_Lake

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mono_Lake

Originally posted by AThousandYoung
SIPHON = WATER GO UPHILL

In the mind of a Progressive, natural laws means nothing.

More than likely, they will just build the pipe line and expect water to magically give California their fair share. 😛

Sigh. Let's just focus on this one instead:

http://movetheocean.org/

Originally posted by AThousandYoung
The pressure is increased by having a very deep reservoir in Washington. The weight of the water causes the pressure.

That will only work if the top of the reservoir is less than 10m below the top of the highest point of the pipe. It doesn't matter how deep the reservoir is.

Originally posted by AThousandYoung
http://www.romanaqueducts.info/siphons/siphons.htm

So, down then up. Nothing too special there. We are however talking about up then down, not quite the same thing. Also the poster mentioned the Incas, and by only referring to the uphill part, he seemed to be suggesting an overall flow of water uphill, which is not the case.
Did the Incas use siphons?

Originally posted by twhitehead
So, down then up. Nothing too special there. We are however talking about up then down, not quite the same thing. Also the poster mentioned the Incas, and by only referring to the uphill part, he seemed to be suggesting an overall flow of water uphill, which is not the case.
Did the Incas use siphons?

I don't know much about the Incan aqueducts.

Originally posted by twhitehead
That will only work if the top of the reservoir is less than 10m below the top of the highest point of the pipe. It doesn't matter how deep the reservoir is.

You are mistaken.

wikipedia.org/wiki/Siphon

Gravity, pressure and molecular cohesion were the focus of work in 2010 by Hughes at the Queensland University of Technology. He used siphons at air pressure and his conclusion was that: "The flow of water out of the bottom of a siphon depends on the difference in height between the inflow and outflow, and therefore cannot be dependent on atmospheric pressure…"[26] Hughes did further work on siphons at air pressure in 2011 and concluded that: "The experiments described above demonstrate that ordinary siphons at atmospheric pressure operate through gravity and not atmospheric pressure".[27]