Originally posted by jlillyNah. Don't make it illegal. Make the drugs and the drug testing legal and let the market decide whether drug testing employees is a good idea.
Should be illegal except safety sensitive professions:
1) Pilot
2) Bus driver
3) Nuclear workers
4) etc.
Random drug testing at the job is against our rights to privacy. It is NO employers concern if Joe the Plumber smokes a joint OFF duty. Testing positive for a drug does not suggest impairment. I could smoke a joint tonight and fail a drug test nex ...[text shortened]... tive THC (pot) urine test.
Yet booze --- in all its evils ---- is 100% okay!
Hilarious.
Originally posted by irontigranYour mentality is why you're shriveling up. I could never afford those drugs, but most druggies find a way. How they do that? Oh, i'm not
this mentality is why the republican party is shriveling up. 😀
Republcan. Use all the drugs you want, just as long as i don't have to pay for them. Sound Lebertarian logic. Ah, where you get your drug money? Soc Sec disability? Known a lot of people like that. Just thought i'd ask since you were so open about your drug use. Didn't think i was prying. No big deal.
GRANNY.
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Originally posted by jlillyEmployers have the right to set the terms and conditions of employment.
Should be illegal except safety sensitive professions:
1) Pilot
2) Bus driver
3) Nuclear workers
4) etc.
Random drug testing at the job is against our rights to privacy. It is NO employers concern if Joe the Plumber smokes a joint OFF duty. Testing positive for a drug does not suggest impairment. I could smoke a joint tonight and fail a drug test nex tive THC (pot) urine test.
Yet booze --- in all its evils ---- is 100% okay!
Hilarious.
Employees have the right to set the terms and conditions of employment.
The two parties get together to see if they have common ground, otherwise they part company the prospective employee goes on to look for work that suits them and the prospective employer goes on to search for apt employees,
So if one of the terms an employee sets is that they never do a drug test then they do not belong at a job where the employer has specifically made drug tests a condition of employment.
Unfortunately the gummint buratcracy known as OSHA is doing the driving, setting terms and conditions that neither employees or employers want.
You see your woolly lefty thinking here don't you. On the one hand you seem to say drug taking has an adverse effect on performance i.e. the call for regulating certain professions, but on the other hand you say "No problemo" If an employer agrees with your stance that doing drugs can adversely effect employee performance (whether a plumber or pilot) than they are justified in striving for a drug free workplace.
If you're going to defend the no mandatory drug tests argument you need to do it from a principled basis, you do it more harm than good by being contradictory. Which is why your promotion of the dermocrats and denouncing of the republicans is actually backfiring. If ever there was a reason to vote red, just take a look at jlilly.
Originally posted by Wajomaid say both go too far on the war on drugs.
Employers have the right to set the terms and conditions of employment.
Employees have the right to set the terms and conditions of employment.
The two parties get together to see if they have common ground, otherwise they part company the prospective employee goes on to look for work that suits them and the prospective employer goes on to search for ap ...[text shortened]... s actually backfiring. If ever there was a reason to vote blue, just take a look at jlilly.
and to GRANNY i didnt mean/care what side youre on, but i dont do anything constantly and keep to myself most of the time(dont buy much else, dont care for watching tv even) so i can just spend my own money. 🙂
Originally posted by smw6869I had an acquaintance named "Drunk Glenn." He was a real social misanthrope and because he was on disability and Medicaid, the government sent him a packet of drugs every month. If he needed walking around money he'd sell the pills.
Your mentality is why you're shriveling up. I could never afford those drugs, but most druggies find a way. How they do that? Oh, i'm not
Republcan. Use all the drugs you want, just as long as i don't have to pay for them. Sound Lebertarian logic. Ah, where you get your drug money? Soc Sec disability? Known a lot of people like that. Just thought i'd ask ...[text shortened]... you were so open about your drug use. Didn't think i was prying. No big deal.
GRANNY.
Originally posted by AThousandYoungWouldn't you agree that the market already has decided? Why do insurers require drug testing? It's not because they want to suck the flava out of going to a crappy job every day, it's because irresponsible people on drugs make bad employees and wreck stuff and cause headaches for their employers.
Nah. Don't make it illegal. Make the drugs and the drug testing legal and let the market decide whether drug testing employees is a good idea.
Originally posted by der schwarze RitterNo, I don't agree. When Ronald Reagan enacted executive orders 12564 and 12584 it was not the free market in action. George W Bush's "White House Drug Control Strategy" is not the free market at work. Prison is not the free market at work.
Wouldn't you agree that the market already has decided? Why do insurers require drug testing? It's not because they want to suck the flava out of going to a crappy job every day, it's because irresponsible people on drugs make bad employees and wreck stuff and cause headaches for their employers.
This is not the free market:
Florida offers companies that meet certain drug testing requirements a 5% discount on workers’ compensation premiums. For some companies, that’s enough to almost pay for the drug testing.
Georgia’s workers’ compensation discount for qualifying companies is 7.5%. Additionally, employers are permitted to use on-site, point of care testing (POCT), including urine and oral fluid devices. Like Florida, there are virtually no restrictions on drug testing in Georgia. Other states that offer workers’ compensation premium discounts include: Alabama (5😵, Arkansas (5😵, Idaho (5😵, Mississippi (5😵, Ohio (10-20😵, South Carolina (5😵, Tennessee (5😵, Kentucky (mining companies only), and Virginia (determined by insurance provider).
http://www.drugtestingusa.com/articles/ar_5stateswhere.htm
Originally posted by jlillyI disagree with you.
Should be illegal except safety sensitive professions:
1) Pilot
2) Bus driver
3) Nuclear workers
4) etc.
Random drug testing at the job is against our rights to privacy. It is NO employers concern if Joe the Plumber smokes a joint OFF duty. Testing positive for a drug does not suggest impairment. I could smoke a joint tonight and fail a drug test nex ...[text shortened]... tive THC (pot) urine test.
Yet booze --- in all its evils ---- is 100% okay!
Hilarious.
It shouldn't be illegal, I mean, I don't want the people who work for me getting high while they should be focused on their work.
If they want to smoke pot, they should do it at home, not at work.
Originally posted by generalissimoyeah thats for sure, but the problem is they count it like it was at work when it was 15 days ago..
I disagree with you.
It shouldn't be illegal, I mean, I don't want the people who work for me getting high while they should be focused on their work.
If they want to smoke pot, they should do it at home, not at work.
Originally posted by WajomaWhew! Glad to see someone on here that isn't a pothead! No wonder we are barraged by filth and fuzzy opinions.
Employers have the right to set the terms and conditions of employment.
Employees have the right to set the terms and conditions of employment.
The two parties get together to see if they have common ground, otherwise they part company the prospective employee goes on to look for work that suits them and the prospective employer goes on to search for ap ...[text shortened]... is actually backfiring. If ever there was a reason to vote red, just take a look at jlilly.
