Originally posted by @wolfgang59 Wow.
I thought teachers' pay was low in UK.
But in US.....
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Explains a lot.
What is solution?
Can US afford an education system?
my daughter was a maths teacher in the north of England for 5 years, 30+ class sizes, no discipline, or back up from the senior teaching staff, she said she felt more like a social worker than teacher, she emigrated to Oz 3 years ago and reckons the Aussie model is far superior, the son on the other and is a type of special needs teacher in a prison for disturbed teenagers his class size is a max of 3 and he is much happier and relaxed.
Originally posted by @kmax87 The only social program it seems to fund is the police force and a prison system, because where in the world did a good education provide a way out of poverty and social dysfunction. No, it's much better to punish the underachiever, the disadvantaged and the generationally disempowered. How else you gonna enjoy your wealth and lifestyle if not for the poor b ...[text shortened]... te during a cold snap, to emphasize your warm and cosy success. We can't all be winners, right??
"The only social program it seems to fund is the police force "
The police is seriously underfunded and poorly trained. Prisons are likewise underfunded or privatized which results in people being sent to jail and nothing being done to prevent them going or returning there.
The only social programs the us gladly spends on are the military and welfare for billionaires. The trickle should be coming any day now.
Originally posted by @athousandyoung The problem is that it is not in the interests of the wealthy to have an educated populace.
Jeezus where did this brain fart come from.
Why do corporations spend so much on R and D?
Why do corporations pay decent salaries for clever folk, and actively seek out, headhunt bright educated people?
Which 'wealthy' are you talking about, over a certain net income worth, is that your gauge? How did you deduce this number?
Originally posted by @wajoma Jeezus where did this brain fart come from.
Why do corporations spend so much on R and D?
Why do corporations pay decent salaries for clever folk, and actively seek out, headhunt bright educated people?
Which 'wealthy' are you talking about, over a certain net income worth, is that your gauge? How did you deduce this number?
STEM education is not dangerous. A liberal arts education is dangerous.
Originally posted by @js357 STEM education is not dangerous. A liberal arts education is dangerous.
Umm, yes, you're making us all very nervous with all this talk of danger.. To whom is it dangerous, from where does the danger originate, what is the danger.
An educated population would recognize the fallacies of conservatism. American conservatism's last exposure to a well-educated population lead to vibrant demonstrations in the streets. (Circa the late1960's)
Conservatism: The wolf which consumes its own "low-information sheep".
Originally posted by @wolfe63 An educated population would recognize the fallacies of conservatism. American conservatism's last exposure to a well-educated population lead to vibrant demonstrations in the streets. (Circa the late1960's)
Conservatism: The wolf which consumes its own "low-information sheep".
Conservative republican is a myth, an oxymoron.
There are no true conservatives in the Republican Party. Fiscal responsibility? They've been spending like crazy, adding to the deficit. Small government? Not when it comes to telling a woman what to do with her body, introducing prayer in schools, spying on americans.
Originally posted by @wajoma Jeezus where did this brain fart come from.
Why do corporations spend so much on R and D?
Why do corporations pay decent salaries for clever folk, and actively seek out, headhunt bright educated people?
Which 'wealthy' are you talking about, over a certain net income worth, is that your gauge? How did you deduce this number?
Originally posted by @athousandyoung https://www.usnews.com/opinion/articles/2014/09/15/stem-graduates-cant-find-jobs
Always suspicious when people can't throw a few words together in way of a reply, some fleshing out of their argument.
Let's look at your original statement:
ATY says: "The problem is that it is not in the interests of the wealthy to have an educated populace."
Your link does nothing to back your conspiracy theory, nor does it help in any way defining what you mean by 'wealthy'. Are all 'wealthy' in on this master scheme? Do no wealthy people benefit from bright educated young folk thinking of better, faster more efficient ways of doing things, being smart enough to avoid costly mistakes?
Is that why you simply posted an irrelevant link in the hope of bluffing your way through? Your bluff has been called.
Originally posted by @wajoma Umm, yes, you're making us all very nervous with all this talk of danger.. To whom is it dangerous, from where does the danger originate, what is the danger.
A good liberal arts education examines and challenges assumptions and myths that underpin the holy cows that prop up our current economies and institutions. An example is American capitalism which thrives on the myth of equal economic freedom of the individual when such thinkers as John Locke put together the philosophical framework for the taking of land and natural resources from the indigenous population, whose common stewardship approach to resource management was reasoned away. Exposing the mechanisms that retain wealth and power in the hands of the economic descendants of the founders is something a STEM education will not go near. A good liberal arts education opens the mind to revolutionary thought.
Originally posted by @wajoma Umm, yes, you're making us all very nervous with all this talk of danger.. To whom is it dangerous, from where does the danger originate, what is the danger.
How can you interact with humans on a daily basis and still have no idea what anyone is talking about?
"Define this", "define that".
It's one thing to be ignorant, it's quite another to parade it around a public square.
Originally posted by @suzianne How can you interact with humans on a daily basis and still have no idea what anyone is talking about?
"Define this", "define that".
It's one thing to be ignorant, it's quite another to parade it around a public square.
Let's look at ATY's statement again, for the sake of the terminally dense:
"The problem is that it is not in the interests of the wealthy to have an educated populace."
It seems reasonable to ask who ATY is referring to when he says 'wealthy'. Does he mean all 'wealthy'? Does he mean only folk over a certain net value? Do wealthy folk not benefit from educated people?
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