https://www.americaoutloud.com/the-electric-vehicle-scam/
But watch the greenie oligarchs get rich of it, I mean, even richer, while climate nutters go running of to " fact check " it. yeah right.
It is simple common sense, but common sense is a lot less common than it was.
@jimmac said100 years ago, there were lots of folks shaking their fists in the air saying, "if a man was meant to fly, he'd have wings!" You sound a lot like that.
https://www.americaoutloud.com/the-electric-vehicle-scam/
But watch the greenie oligarchs get rich of it, I mean, even richer, while climate nutters go running of to " fact check " it. yeah right.
It is simple common sense, but common sense is a lot less common than it was.
@mchill saidIt is sad, you actually believe that don't you. Just fix one of the problems, As it stands now, in Australia, we get power outages due to high demands in summer, what will this do to that problem. And if you say solar, I will laugh. This is fine when there are only a few on the road but not when we have over 50%.
100 years ago, there were lots of folks shaking their fists in the air saying, "if a man was meant to fly, he'd have wings!" You sound a lot like that.
If you would have opened a discussion with debating points to and for you might have moved some minds. There are weaknesses in electrical cars, and in the article some are enumerated.
Please note: There is absolutely NO solution to keep on living on a standard, some in the world think "normal" for the decades to come.
So the first action is to scale back. The rich people and societies first and most. Anybody who is trying to say: just switch to electric didn't get it. Same is true for people thinking: Just pump more oil will do it.
Question: Does it make sense on a global scale to move several hundred kilos of steel for transport, say 80 kg of person?
Does it make sense that some people drive their single car the same route from a suburb to their work place, leave their car standing there for the 8 Hours (plus break) and then drive it back to let it stand at their home for the remainder of the day? Yes I know personal freedom, but does it make any sense?
Would it make sense to expand public transportantion instead?
Does it make sense to use any electric car, that is standing about 23 h a day as a battery?
How can we distribute electrical energy in a way, that susplus is used well and deficit is avoided?
How about trying to come to a solution rather than laugh at people we don't agree with?
@ponderable saidThese are Great points, but the comment about public transportation gives me pause… Could there be reserved seating in certain cars? Like Delta?😎
If you would have opened a discussion with debating points to and for you might have moved some minds. There are weaknesses in electrical cars, and in the article some are enumerated.
Please note: There is absolutely NO solution to keep on living on a standard, some in the world think "normal" for the decades to come.
So the first action is to scale back. The rich p ...[text shortened]... avoided?
How about trying to come to a solution rather than laugh at people we don't agree with?
Electric cars are cleaner than infernal-combustion-engine cars, if you look at each vehicle through a microscope; but if you look at the whole system, it looks rather different. The whole system is cleaner only if the electricity is cleanly produced and cleanly transported from the point of generation to the point of consumption.
https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-49567197
@AverageJoe1 says - "Could there be reserved seating in certain cars? Like Delta?😎"
More like Jim Crow, if the Democrats have a say in it :-)
@vivify saidNot at all, I have said for a while that my next car will be an electric one, just not for "many" years. ( I drive my cars until they have expired ) We are simply not ready for the mad push being shoved down our throats by the climate nutters.
https://www.saturdayeveningpost.com/2017/01/get-horse-americas-skepticism-toward-first-automobiles/
People made fun of cars in the early days, with the taunt "get a horse!"
Jimmac would've been one of those people snickering how cars will never catch on.
I have lately started considering hybrids as a road tax is being considered for fully electric cars.
For my money, Nuclear power and electric cars are the way to go, we are just not there yet. Not even close.
@ponderable saidWell thought out and you ask many questions that I have also pondered.
If you would have opened a discussion with debating points to and for you might have moved some minds. There are weaknesses in electrical cars, and in the article some are enumerated.
Please note: There is absolutely NO solution to keep on living on a standard, some in the world think "normal" for the decades to come.
So the first action is to scale back. The rich p ...[text shortened]... avoided?
How about trying to come to a solution rather than laugh at people we don't agree with?
The best, at this stage, I believe, is to make public transport more efficient. I have to wonder at big buses and trains doing the rounds off peak empty.
Electric cars should not be shoved down our throats as some countries are contemplating, To stupid, to early. That is the thrust of my point.
@moonbus saidLooking at 1 car, not a prob, few thousand, ok, but forcing millions on the road will not work. It will only help the Elon Musk's of this world.
Electric cars are cleaner than infernal-combustion-engine cars, if you look at each vehicle through a microscope; but if you look at the whole system, it looks rather different. The whole system is cleaner only if the electricity is cleanly produced and cleanly transported from the point of generation to the point of consumption.
https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-49567197
@jimmac saidBut it will kill the Exxon's of this world. Yin/yang.
Looking at 1 car, not a prob, few thousand, ok, but forcing millions on the road will not work. It will only help the Elon Musk's of this world.
And we'd also be able to tell Saudi Arabian princes to go fk themselves. Net gain in the end.
@vivify saidI am very much in favour of becoming independent of the Saudi and Russian states, whatever vehicle one uses. It would give the West a much freer hand to exert pressure on nasty people who murder dissidents and invade their neighbours.
But it will kill the Exxon's of this world. Yin/yang.
And we'd also be able to tell Saudi Arabian princes to go fk themselves. Net gain in the end.
@moonbus saidCertainly less carbon monoxide and carcinogenic particles being pumped into city and urban dwelling humans and fauna.
Electric cars are cleaner than infernal-combustion-engine cars, if you look at each vehicle through a microscope; but if you look at the whole system, it looks rather different. The whole system is cleaner only if the electricity is cleanly produced and cleanly transported from the point of generation to the point of consumption.
https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-49567197
It’s a two prong problem and therefor warrants a two prong approach but it makes sense to cut carbon out of transport first because it is technically feasible whilst continuing to look for cleaner ways to produce electricity.
We are currently getting four charging points installed in our office car park and our OV’s will be electric on completion leaving two charge points for rotation amongst the privately owned EV’s