End of US democracy, Moore V Harper

https://ballotpedia.org/Moore_v._Harper
This is a major push by republicans to codify the idea a state can overturn ANY election they deem not in the favor of the ruling party, in this case republicans who are pushing for this truly disgusting POS law suit.

This lawsuit, if passed by SCOTUS would literally end democracy right then and there, allowing states to legally overturn ANY election they don't like, throw out legally obtained electors and install their own who will follow the orders of the party, namely, keep in power PERMANENTLY which has been the goal of republicans ever since Trump came into power in the US.

It would literally overthrow any idea of constitutional imperatives as to voting rights and would lead to Christian Nationalists taking over and transforming the US into a Christian state, with disastrous consequences for anyone not Christian, including atheists, Muslims, Jews, and black and brown skin.

This is not me being a crazy old coot, this is what is actually happening as we speak. Like Mastriano running for governor of my state in Pennsylvania, if he wins he will fundamentally change the power structure in PA in many sinister ways, all you have to do is watch GAB, the ultrarightwingnut site he gave $5000 to because it boosts his own base.

This is not me being a crazy old man this is REAL and right now.
There are deep state forces going on as we speak with an eye on killing democracy in the US and it is not coming from Democrats.

It is strictly a Republican push for pure power, a complete takeover of the US and that is not hyperbole that is real and all you have to do is look at cases like Moore V Harper to see that as clear as day.

I looked it up.
Doesn’t make much sense to me.

I’ll have a proper look at it when I have more time. If what you say is correct, then it is seriously bad doodoos.

@shavixmir
It would permanently change politics in the US if ratified and not for the better.
This is the gist of it:

https://www.scotusblog.com/case-files/cases/moore-v-harper-2/

The argument is whether states can literally install their own electors if they don't like the results of the real ones.

I posted a thread a few weeks ago that that South Carolina Republicans were looking to make gerrymandering legal, a case whose real goal is to give states power to overturn elections. A few red-states that are currently trending blue have since joined the effort:

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/07/moore-harper-scotus-independent-state-legislature-election-power/670992/

Republican lawyers, taking note of their structural advantage among battleground-state lawmakers, set forth the “independent state legislature” (ISL) doctrine. The doctrine is based on a tendentious reading of two constitutional clauses, which assign control of the “Manner” of congressional elections and the appointment of presidential electors in each state to “the Legislature thereof.” Based on that language, the doctrine proposes that state lawmakers have virtually unrestricted power over elections and electors. State courts and state constitutions, by this reading, hold no legitimate authority over legislatures in the conduct of their U.S. constitutional functions.

This can give states the power to overturn both national and federal elections, making elections a mere formality. Elections will be similar to the Senate where decisions are made by the ruling party.

@sonhouse said
@shavixmir
It would permanently change politics in the US if ratified and not for the better.
This is the gist of it:

https://www.scotusblog.com/case-files/cases/moore-v-harper-2/

The argument is whether states can literally install their own electors if they don't like the results of the real ones.

@kmax87 said
I thought faithless electors were always part of the picture and that electors were not compelled to vote according to their election result.

@vivify said
Yes but the electors are chosen by winning party. For example, if Texas votes for a Republican president that means Republicans get to chose the electors. A "faithless" elector would then be Republican electors who still choose vote for a Democrat.

So cases of faithless electors are rare because it would involve them voting against their party.

@kmax87 said
And this could possibly become reality. State legislatures overturning the winning party deciding on who the electors would be?

@vivify said
The article states that this case could give state legislators the power to choose the electors. Meaning Georgia can choose Republican electors to vote in their favor even the voters choose a Democratic president.

@kmax87 said
After telling the world for decades how democracy works, it has come to this!?

@sonhouse said
https://ballotpedia.org/Moore_v._Harper
This is a major push by republicans to codify the idea a state can overturn ANY election they deem not in the favor of the ruling party, in this case republicans who are pushing for this truly disgusting POS law suit.

This lawsuit, if passed by SCOTUS would literally end democracy right then and there, allowing states to legally ov ...[text shortened]... hat is real and all you have to do is look at cases like Moore V Harper to see that as clear as day.

@jimm619
I think the ultrarightwingnuts here don't WANT us to know about this sinister SCOTUS case, I guess they want us to be totally shocked when we lose our democracy and find we are a republic, run by republicans and that will be our new normal.
Goodbye SS, Medicare, Hello zero taxes for corporations, 50% tax for ordinary citizens.
Total ban on abortion, gay marriage, Christianity the state religion, muslims and Jews forced to live on reservations. Indian lands found to valuable for oil and minerals and they get kicked out to deserts.
THEN we get WW3......

I have seen on several occasions recently a short clip on Steve Bannon quoted as saying "we can rule this country for 100 years".

Imo, the conservative response comes out of fear.
Fear that conservatism is gradually shrinking.
Generally due to human advancements, particularly science and technology.
While social advancements (abortions, same sex marriage) spark more outrage, science and technology is the elephant in the room.

@shavixmir said
I looked it up.Doesn’t make much sense to me.

Y'all are only complaining because their are more Red states than Blue.

If it was the other way around y'all wouldn't be complaining 🙄