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  1. Subscriber AThousandYoung
    It's only business
    29 Jul '10 23:18
    I think they should be heavy.
  2. Standard member sh76
    Civis Americanus Sum
    29 Jul '10 23:54
    Originally posted by AThousandYoung
    I think they should be heavy.
    It is (or will be as of January 1, 2011)
  3. Subscriber AThousandYoung
    It's only business
    29 Jul '10 23:57
    But...but...but...what about the inalienable right to property?! :'(

    http://conservativedailynews.com/2010/07/estate-tax-to-return-right-to-property-threatened/
  4. Standard member sh76
    Civis Americanus Sum
    30 Jul '10 00:00
    Originally posted by AThousandYoung
    But...but...but...what about the inalienable right to property?! :'(

    http://conservativedailynews.com/2010/07/estate-tax-to-return-right-to-property-threatened/
    They're not inconsistent.

    The income tax is not inconsistent with the right to keep the money you earn.
  5. 30 Jul '10 00:45
    Originally posted by sh76
    They're not inconsistent.

    The income tax is not inconsistent with the right to keep the money you earn.
    why not?
  6. 30 Jul '10 00:45
    Originally posted by AThousandYoung
    I think they should be heavy.
    how'd that work out in UK?
  7. Subscriber AThousandYoung
    It's only business
    30 Jul '10 00:48
    Originally posted by zeeblebot
    why not?
    Thread 132664
  8. 30 Jul '10 00:49 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by AThousandYoung
    Thread 132664
    wow, less than a day old and already has 10 pages of posts.
  9. Subscriber AThousandYoung
    It's only business
    30 Jul '10 00:53
    Originally posted by zeeblebot
    wow, less than a day old and already has 10 pages of posts.
    People are passionate about their Right to Property.
  10. Standard member sh76
    Civis Americanus Sum
    30 Jul '10 00:54
    Originally posted by zeeblebot
    why not?
    Because the government needs money to function.

    To get money it has to tax its citizens. It's not about denying anyone the right to keep anything, but the need of the government to take in revenues it needs to function.

    We can debate appropriate tax levels until the cows come home, but the necessity for some level of taxation is a given.
  11. 30 Jul '10 00:57
    you might have said: The income tax is a tradeoff vs. the right to keep the money you earn.
  12. 30 Jul '10 01:12
    Originally posted by sh76
    Because the government needs money to function.

    To get money it has to tax its citizens. It's not about denying anyone the right to keep anything, but the need of the government to take in revenues it needs to function.

    We can debate appropriate tax levels until the cows come home, but the necessity for some level of taxation is a given.
    As is the ability to decide where and what to spend money on..... our money
  13. Standard member Palynka
    Upward Spiral
    30 Jul '10 10:41
    Originally posted by sh76
    Because the government needs money to function.

    To get money it has to tax its citizens. It's not about denying anyone the right to keep anything, but the need of the government to take in revenues it needs to function.

    We can debate appropriate tax levels until the cows come home, but the necessity for some level of taxation is a given.
    So you agree that attacks on tax increases by using a "right to property" argument are ridiculous?
  14. 30 Jul '10 10:42
    Originally posted by zeeblebot
    why not?
    You can view democracy as a market for collective goods. People collectively decide what collective goods to buy from their money, e.g. an army.
  15. Standard member Palynka
    Upward Spiral
    30 Jul '10 10:55 / 2 edits
    Originally posted by KazetNagorra
    You can view democracy as a market for collective goods. People collectively decide what collective goods to buy from their money, e.g. an army.
    Since the "right to property" tends to be formulated in absolute terms by conservatives then it still undermines it. Of course, this is obviously not a problem for you and me who are happy to make it conditional on being post-taxation on the terms you just mentioned.