European Dawn: After the Social Model

Originally posted by Palynka
So exactly where is the crisis?

Some of those unenjoyment numbers are cause for concern.

Edit: More accurate would be to say that some of those numbers are approaching crisis if they continue.

Originally posted by Merk
Some of those unenjoyment numbers are cause for concern.

You think we should be concerned that the Eurozone unenjoyment numbers are at their lowest since 1993?

Originally posted by Palynka
You think we should be concerned that the Eurozone unenjoyment numbers are at their lowest since 1993?

By that link that shav provides, there is almost 10 percent difference between countries. If I was in those countries that were 10 percent behind, I would be concerned.

Originally posted by Merk
By that link that shav provides, there is almost 10 percent difference between countries. If I was in those countries that were 10 percent behind, I would be concerned.

You're really running out of arguments are you?

Which is it we are discussing? Is it a general trait of what you call the "European Social Model" or is it other structural problems specific to some countries?

I have to know what we are discussing, since you seem to be constantly changing the goalposts.

By the way, that data is from 2000 but I agree that there are still major regional differences. These are actually quite normal considering the large historical and structural differences between the countries involved.

Originally posted by Merk
Edit: More accurate would be to say that some of those numbers are approaching crisis if they continue.

Just saw this edit. If they continue to do what? Decrease?

Originally posted by Palynka
You're really running out of arguments are you?

Which is it we are discussing? Is it a general trait of what you call the "European Social Model" or is it other structural problems specific to some countries?

I have to know what we are discussing, since you seem to be constantly changing the goalposts.

By the way, that data is from 2000 but I agree ...[text shortened]... l considering the large historical and structural differences between the countries involved.

I didn't say anything about the European social model. Its the economic model that's a cause for concern. Maybe long term double digit unemployment isn't a big deal for those countries, but here it would be called crisis.

Originally posted by Palynka
Just saw this edit. If they continue to do what? Decrease?

Continue with double digit unemployement.

You've made the case yourself, things were better in 14 years ago.

Originally posted by Merk
Continue with double digit unemployement.

You've made the case yourself, things were better in 14 years ago.

Things were better 14 years ago? I'll wait until you start making some sense.
To illustrate my point, I'll just say that the US would be worse off today than in 1944 under your ridiculous criteria.

But keep harping on about the EU crisis. After all, the dogs bark but the caravan rolls on.

Originally posted by Palynka
Things were better 14 years ago? I'll wait until you start making some sense.
To illustrate my point, I'll just say that the US would be worse off today than in 1944 under your ridiculous criteria.

But keep harping on about the EU crisis. After all, the dogs bark but the caravan rolls on.

You're right. 13% unemployment is a sign of a healthy economy. Carry on.

Originally posted by Merk
You're right. 13% unemployment is a sign of a healthy economy. Carry on.

Clueless. 😞

Originally posted by Merk
You're right. 13% unemployment is a sign of a healthy economy. Carry on.

I think he means that the economy has been growing, so it is better off (compared to 14 years ago) and that 13% unemployment isn't something to worry about.

Originally posted by Bad wolf
I think he means that the economy has been growing, so it is better off, and that the level is unemploying isn't so important.

That could be. It certainly seems like unemployment isn't very important to Europeans. Otherwise I would think they would do something about it. So, maybe its just a matter of it being a big deal to us, not to them.

Originally posted by Merk
That could be. It certainly seems like unemployment isn't very important to Europeans. Otherwise I would think they would do something about it. So, maybe its just a matter of it being a big deal to us, not to them.

Well, if your economy is growing at a reasonable amount, well, you could argue that the unemployed aren't causing it collapse on you, so you can justify it, I think that's the mindset anyway.

Personally, I think 13% umemployment is pretty high, and it needs lowering, maybe to somewhere around 5%, which seems pretty reasonable I guess.
How we'd go about doing this though, I don't know...

The problem often is that it is just not worth the effort to work, because you might not earn much more money working than you would not working, and I guess if you aren't educated very well it wouldn't be very easy to aim your career prospects high anyway.
So, perhaps raising the minimum wage, lowering 'job seakers allowance'; in fact there are numerous approaches to this, but I don't know what works best.


edit: can you sum up why you think 13% unemployment would be such a big deal to you (people in the USA)?

Originally posted by Bad wolf
Well, if your economy is growing at a reasonable amount, well, you could argue that the unemployed aren't causing it collapse on you, so you can justify it, I think that's the mindset anyway.

Personally, I think 13% umemployment is pretty high, and it needs lowering, maybe to somewhere around 5%, which seems pretty reasonable I guess.
How we'd go about ...[text shortened]... up why you think 13% unemployment would be such a big deal to you (people in the USA)?

I'm not sure raising minimum wage will work. If it did, everyone would just raise it to $100.00 dollars an hour.

As for us not accepting unemployment numbers like that, its pretty basic. There is no excuse for that many people to be on unemployment. We won't accept the lazy draining taxpayer dollars that should be going to things like infrastructure or defense. We like having a strong economy and won't let it be held down so the lazy can bring everyone down to them.

A bad American economy is still better than most. The simple fact is, Americans don't do bad economies.

Originally posted by Merk
It certainly seems like unemployment isn't very important to Europeans. Otherwise I would think they would do something about it.

You lump all European countries together. Some have high unemployment rates, some have unemployment rates which are lower than in the US, for example the UK and Norway, which are both examples for the social model.