Originally posted by der schwarze Ritterhttp://www.lse.ac.uk/collections/pressAndInformationOffice/newsAndEvents/archives/2005/LSE_SuttonTrust_report.htm
Social mobility in the U.S. is not static -- look at the Forbes list of the 100 richest people. Every year it's different. Some move onto the list while others fall out.
Originally posted by MerkDid you read the post or just see America and assume it was America bashing?
Did anyone else notice how this thread turned immediately to the be about the U.S. economy instaed of an actual debate?
Again, my post said "It's showing how we always get these economic doomsday predictions."
Then people chose to get all defencive about America instead of attempting to show why these might not be doomsday predictions.
Originally posted by AmauroteIllegal aliens with less than a sixth-grade education and no job skills would skew anyone's figures on poverty and social mobility. I was talking about legal residents.
http://www.lse.ac.uk/collections/pressAndInformationOffice/newsAndEvents/archives/2005/LSE_SuttonTrust_report.htm
Originally posted by der schwarze RitterWestern Europe has a problem with its model. Over dependence on the welfare state is a huge problem. It is masked by the large amounts of migrant labour which is doing the menial work that many low ability/motivated people now refuse to do.
Western Europe is in deep trouble. Growth is low, unemployment is high, most people are dependent on the state and welfare services are falling apart. Yet most politicians defend the European Social Model. Reforms merely scratch the surface. But the Model is not the solution to these problems – it is the problem, says economist Johnny Munkhammar. Discuss.
The US model has a huge problem with its wealth gap that causes huge social division. Just look at New Orleans what a mess!!! Thats not a model I like.
The trick is to do both, but I haven't seen a model that works at the moment.
Originally posted by MerkDo you mean unemployment numbers or the number of people claiming benefit?
Outgrowing America for 6 months doesn't mean a lot. That's not exactly a long term trend.
My real question is, what are the unemployement numbers?
Basically Europe has the highest health care figures, lowest child death rate, lowest teenage pregnancy rate, lowest teenage alcohol and drugs consumption rate, etc. in the world.
Things are changing though. Multi-nationalism (globalisation) is doing a lot to rot Europe from the inside out: Privitisations which benefit no one but the rich, importing workers who pay taxes at the level of the country they come from, etc.
The Euro is partly to blame as well.
I'm not in the mood to go into it all in detail, but basically we're being sold down the river on a water biscuit...And it's about to sink.
Originally posted by shavixmirUNemployment numbers.
Do you mean unemployment numbers or the number of people claiming benefit?
Basically Europe has the highest health care figures, lowest child death rate, lowest teenage pregnancy rate, lowest teenage alcohol and drugs consumption rate, etc. in the world.
Things are changing though. Multi-nationalism (globalisation) is doing a lot to rot Europe from ...[text shortened]... l, but basically we're being sold down the river on a water biscuit...And it's about to sink.
Originally posted by shavixmirI don't see any surprises in those numbers. The U.K. is fine for example. This country would be up in arms if we had some of those unenjoyment numbers though.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/1210714.stm
I can't be arsed copy and pasting, sorry. But this gives full figures (European and world)
I guess the only other question is what percentage of the population works for the government.