http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8088381.stm
BNP leader Nick Griffin has been elected to the European Parliament as the party won its first two seats.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/8088309.stm
Centre-right parties have done well in elections to the European Parliament at the expense of the left.
Far-right and anti-immigrant parties also made gains, as turnout figures plunged to 43% - the lowest since direct elections began 30 years ago.
Is this history repeating itself? I think I've seen this trend before...
Originally posted by generalissimoMake things clear here, you think far-right and anti-immigrant parties making gains is a good thing? Or a bad thing?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8088381.stm
[b]BNP leader Nick Griffin has been elected to the European Parliament as the party won its first two seats.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/8088309.stm
Centre-right parties have done well in elections to the European Parliament at the expense of the left.
Far-right and a ...[text shortened]... years ago.
Is this history repeating itself? I think I've seen this trend before...[/b]
Originally posted by SeitseIn times of economic difficulties and political uncertainty its easy to find scapegoats.
Tha anti-immigrant fascist pigs here got a landslide vote.
It's a sad day for Finland... oh well, at least for those of us who are not blond.
Hey, check the funniest thing: the imbeciles' party is called "true born finns".
Very clear message.
I even heard of an anti-gypsy party in Hungary getting votes!
Originally posted by generalissimoI have to ask. And I think you should be clear. You are anti-indigenous people in your own country. You have far right Catholic viewpoints on women's rights. You are committed and vocal homophobe. You oppose democracy when it suits you to oppose it. And you have expressed open admiration for fascist dictators on these threads. So make things clear here, you think far-right and anti-immigrant parties making gains is a good thing? Or a bad thing?
What do you think dumbass?
Originally posted by FMFEasy-labeling again, Queen of Hypocrysy.
I have to ask. And I think you should be clear. You are anti-indigenous people in your own country. You have far right Catholic viewpoints on women's rights. You are committed and vocal homophobe. You oppose democracy when it suits you to oppose it. And you have expressed open admiration for fascist dictators on these threads. So make things clear here, you think far-right and anti-immigrant parties making gains is a good thing? Or a bad thing?
You are anti-indigenous people in your own country
untrue. I made it very clear that I was against the reservations, not the people in it.
You have far right Catholic viewpoints on women's rights.
untrue. What in your definition are "far-right" catholic view points? As far as Im concerned, most catholics are against abortion, be them left or right wing.
You are committed and vocal homophobe
also untrue. I have nothing against gays.
You oppose democracy when it suits you to oppose it.
Untrue. In fact that better fits you.
And you have expressed open admiration for fascist dictators on these threads
recognising different points of view is not admiration.
Some people admired President Truman, even though he killed millions.
you think far-right and anti-immigrant parties making gains is a good thing? Or a bad thing?
A bad thing.
Have you got anymore false accusations to post?
Isn't that a part of democracy? That crackpots can be voted into a parliment?
Now, think about we put laws forbidding people to have certain ideas? Would that be democracy? I don't think so.
Who would then define the good ideas that are okay, and the bad ideas, that's not okay? Would we vote on that? Then who would see that the result is okay, or not? Now, this is not a democracy. "As long you think right, you can think free!"?
The good with democracy is that people can vote for anything, even wierd things. When you stop that right, it isn't a democracy anymore.
(Do I have to tell that I'm not thinking that anti-immigration is a good thing? For those who know me, I don't think so. For others, trust me on that.)
The BNP polled fewer votes this time than in 2004, yet won more seats.
I'm very upset with the whole European election.
First of all there is the question of what the point of the European Parliament is:
No-one has managed to explain effectively here in the UK what powers the MEPs actually have. They can't, by my understanding, propose legislation, so is it just a talking-shop so the MEPs can post videos of themselves on YouTube? Who is actually my MEP? In the UK parliament I know who my MP is and can contact him (even though he does not represent the party I voted for). Do I take my pick out of any of the MEPs representing my Euro-region, or the nearest one? The voting system means I can't vote out a particular person I disagree with. Why do we have a different system for the Euro-elections in the this country (d'Hondt) compared with other countries in Europe (STV)? Why has no-one done anything about the EU finances not being signed off for eons? Why does the parliament travel to Strasbourg for 4 days each month - that is patently ridiculous?
I am a pro-European, but the issues above seriously compromise the whole EU project.
Then there is the issue of the voters voting (or not) as a referendum on the government. This has allowed the fascists to gain an extraordinary amount of publicity. I really hope no-one gets hurt.
Originally posted by generalissimo"also untrue. I have nothing against gays."
Easy-labeling again, Queen of Hypocrysy.
[b]You are anti-indigenous people in your own country
untrue. I made it very clear that I was against the reservations, not the people in it.
You have far right Catholic viewpoints on women's rights.
untrue. What in your definition are "far-right" catholic view points? As far as Im concern ...[text shortened]... g? Or a bad thing?[/b]
A bad thing.
Have you got anymore false accusations to post?[/b]
as long as they don't come near you or have the nerve to demand the rights that you are entitled to as a "normal" person. you're funny
Great. They're also anti-semitic.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/politics/elections/article6455983.ece?token=null&offset=12&page=2
"Mr Brons, 61, a retired political lecturer at Harrogate College and a former leader of the National Front, said: "I regard this as the first step to the UK getting freedom from the EU dictatorship."
He and Mr Griffin are able to serve as MEPs despite both having a criminal record. Mr Brons was fined £50 for breach of the peace by Leeds magistrates after an incident in 1983 when National Front activists shouted "white power" and "death to the Jews" while handing out leaflets, and abused a police officer who asked them to disperse."
Originally posted by generalissimoFirst, great to see some debate about the recent election, It is a major problem for the parliaments legitimacy that the turn outs are so low across the EU. The total lack of proper debate in most countries also shows that people don't care the least.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8088381.stm
[b]BNP leader Nick Griffin has been elected to the European Parliament as the party won its first two seats.
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Is this history repeating itself? I think I've seen this trend before...[/b]
Now to your question,
I get angry every time right-wing extremists gain ground in any country on any continent, however before we picture the brown army marching again, lets stop to look at what happened.
Griffin won 2 seats out of 785 seat in total, or around a quarter of a percent. Its approximately 2,5% of UK 78 seats. Did other pathetic fascist parties gain ground in other countries ? Likely. But the big winner in the election the EPP-ED group is far from being right wing extremists.
Originally posted by ScheelUnfortunately it's over 6% of those who voted, which is rather scary.
Griffin won 2 seats out of 785 seat in total, or around a quarter of a percent. Its approximately 2,5% of UK 78 seats.
Nearly a million people voted BNP. That's a lot of people giving their vote (for whatever reason) to a fascist party. Also, because there are far-right parties in many other countries I can't imagine it would be difficult for them to find a bloc to join, giving them European money for publicity. Then it starts to get a little worrying. In the 1990s a single BNP councillor was elected in London. Rather wonderfully he had various commonalities with Alf Garnet (TV character with bizarre views) and made the BNP appear (even more) ridiculous. The latest bunch are a lot smoother, which makes them even more dangerous.
As far as I am aware the BNP haven't yet promised to make the trains run on time, but I'm sure they will soon ...