……..and I was going to buy one for my daughter on Sunday! Dam that Buttegeig, he left that part out in a speech promoting EVs yesterday.
Y’all hurt people, you really do. Gore all about Climate Control has gone from Networth of 1.7million to 300 million today. Yet contributes to emissions etc.
https://www.valuewalk.com/al-gore-net-worth/
https://www.carparts.com/blog/electric-vehicle-depreciation-101-why-do-evs-lose-their-value-faster-than-gas-cars/
Just keeping y’all posted. Dam, almost bought that car.
@vivify
I think EV's are in the same boat as gas cars were in 1920 or so, not enough gas stations. Word on the street is the electric motors on EV's are not that reliable, if you get 100K out one you are lucky.
But the battery situation is the worse part, new chemistry will fix that in a few years but for now I think it is a bit premature to jump into EV's unless you just use it to go the store and such, local driving. Present day batteries have a problem in cold weather and hot weather also plus the 20,000 bucks it takes to replace them.
NASA has developed batteries based on alternative chemistry that is stackable, meaning you can pile one on another like pancakes which completely simplifies battery construction instead of the half million D cell kind of stuff we have now.
@sonhouse saidIt's like anything else: as EVs become more marketable the technology will improve as companies compete to sell them.
@vivify
I think EV's are in the same boat as gas cars were in 1920 or so, not enough gas stations. Word on the street is the electric motors on EV's are not that reliable, if you get 100K out one you are lucky.
But the battery situation is the worse part, new chemistry will fix that in a few years but for now I think it is a bit premature to jump into EV's unless you just ...[text shortened]... letely simplifies battery construction instead of the half million D cell kind of stuff we have now.
Early cell phones, dial-up internet internet were also crap at the beginning. Companies started pouring money into them as demand increased.
@AverageJoe1
I’m not convinced that EV tech is really ripe for mass consumption, or that it represents a reduction in pollutants compared to infernal-combustion powered vehicles.
First, if masses of people were to switch from gasoline or diesel powered vehicles to EVs, where would the juice come from (leaving aside the question of the infrastructure issue, where all the charging stations are supposed to come from)? How is the electricity to be produced? If by burning coal or uranium, then we shall not have reduced the pollutants at all, we’ll merely have moved them from the exhaust pipe to the smoke stack and nuclear waste disposal site.
Second, where the power is generated is not often where the power is consumed, and the electrical power grid utilizes a chemical, SF6, which is orders of magnitude more damaging to the atmosphere than what comes out the exhaust pipe of a gasoline powered vehicle. See the following:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-49567197
Thirdly, batteries are not nature friendly to dispose of.
Personally, I’m sticking with my gasoline powered vehicle for a while yet, and cycling and riding public transit where it’s not massively inconvenient.
@earl-of-trumps saidhttps://cars.usnews.com/cars-trucks/advice/how-long-do-ev-batteries-last
I can think of a darn good reason as to why people are leery of 2nd hand EV's.
When the battery has to be changed, it is very expensive - they can cost between $2,000 and $20,000 to replace
In general, you can expect the lifespan of an EV's battery pack to be at least 10 years or 100,000 miles. Most will go much longer and further if you treat them right
The carbon footprint (skidmark? ) of EV’s isn’t as good as is often made out. Mercedes, for example, can make a diesel car which in the car’s lifetime is better formthe environment than an EV of the same class.
Extra weight, the batteries, etc. are all not very good.
The only real alternative is the hydrogen motor. But the infrastructure for that is not being pushed enough (yet).
@shavixmir saidPseud boy known as shag doody for brains,
The only real alternative is the hydrogen motor. But the infrastructure for that is not being pushed enough (yet).
If it requires pushing then it's no good by the fact that it needs pushing 🙄 🙄👉👌 🙄🙄
The problem is driving around with a high pressure hydrogen bomb in your car.
@moonbus saidWell written, I wonder also, if I run out of juice in the most remote part of auto access areas, what is the remedy other than a tow truck?
@AverageJoe1
I’m not convinced that EV tech is really ripe for mass consumption, or that it represents a reduction in pollutants compared to infernal-combustion powered vehicles.
First, if masses of people were to switch from gasoline or diesel powered vehicles to EVs, where would the juice come from (leaving aside the question of the infrastructure issue, where all the ...[text shortened]... ehicle for a while yet, and cycling and riding public transit where it’s not massively inconvenient.
Yuk.
@averagejoe1 saidI sure wouldn’t want an EV in the backwoods of Alaska.
Well written, I wonder also, if I run out of juice in the most remote part of auto access areas, what is the remedy other than a tow truck?
Yuk.
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@mwmiller saidThe Germans in World War II had tanks that were like BMWs. The downside was that they were hard to fix when they broke down on the desert. However, our tanks, I think were built by Ford Motor Company, and our men could fix them with a wrench.
Jackson, Wyoming purchased several EV public transportation buses from a company in California.
I don't think that decision is working out very well for them. You decide! Here's a link:
https://cowboystatedaily.com/2023/09/26/jackson-buys-8-electric-buses-for-transit-system-but-none-are-working/
So given this history of fancy cars on the road, which car would you rather be in …..with a wrench?
But wait, I do not think I know any liberal who has ever even touched a wrench. I used to sleep with mine as a child.!
@averagejoe1 saidNo BMW should be without a wench.
The Germans in World War II had tanks that were like BMWs. The downside was that they were hard to fix when they broke down on the desert. However, our tanks, I think were built by Ford Motor Company, and our men could fix them with a wrench.
So given this history of fancy cars on the road, which car would you rather be in …..with a wrench?
But wait, I do not think I know any liberal who has ever even touched a wrench. I used to sleep with mine as a child.!
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