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When we think of the most egregious acts of violence and oppression, right-wing governments and movements typically come to mind: Nazis, medieval Christianity, Communist China under Moa, etc.
What are examples of the left-wing atrocities? And what are the worst? I'm not referring to acts by individual leftists but movements, governments, organizations, etc.
07 Dec 23
@vivify saidWell, I reckon the Russian revolution led to attrocities, certainly behaviour which would be condemned as violations of human rights in our current time.
When we think of the most egregious acts of violence and oppression, right-wing governments and movements typically come to mind: Nazis, medieval Christianity, Communist China under Moa, etc.
What are examples of the left-wing atrocities? And what are the worst? I'm not referring to acts by individual leftists but movements, governments, organizations, etc.
And one could argue that the French revolution was left-wing and that led to quite a few attrocities. Just ask Madam Defarge…
The same probably goes for many revolutions. In the rupture from right-wing authoritarianism, behaviour gets out of hand.
Some would argue that Mao and Stalin were left-wing, but they weren’t. A dictatorship can by definition not be communist (which one would accept as left-wing).
07 Dec 23
@vivify saidFirst you’d need to really define right wing
When we think of the most egregious acts of violence and oppression, right-wing governments and movements typically come to mind: Nazis, medieval Christianity, Communist China under Moa, etc.
What are examples of the left-wing atrocities? And what are the worst? I'm not referring to acts by individual leftists but movements, governments, organizations, etc.
People who favour multiculturalism rarely commit atrocities but I’m not sure it’s a hallmark of left wing per se but more left leaning liberals in liberal or illiberal democracies
These labels are very unreliable because the regime doing the atrocities tends to pick its label for itself.
Russia was a Leninist and then a Stalinist state but would call itself a communist state without apperently bothering to read Marx
Any authoritarian state can call itself a socialist state without adhering to any real socialist policies of wealth distribution and coal ownership of the means of production.
Right wing state projects are usually base on nationalist / nativist sentiments / propaganda. Thus they are a domestic atrocity waiting to happen.
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@vivify saidMao was right wing?
When we think of the most egregious acts of violence and oppression, right-wing governments and movements typically come to mind: Nazis, medieval Christianity, Communist China under Moa, etc.
What are examples of the left-wing atrocities? And what are the worst? I'm not referring to acts by individual leftists but movements, governments, organizations, etc.
Was Stalin too?
How about Pol Pot, Castro, etc?
Medieval Christianity was awful....how was were medieval Muslims? For that matter, how are muslim governments today when it comes to atrocities?
@jj-adams saidSee the second post of this thread. Though they don't favor free markets they are right wing.
Mao was right wing?
Was Stalin too?
How about Pol Pot, Castro, etc?
Medieval Christianity was awful....how was were medieval Muslims? For that matter, how are muslim governments today when it comes to atrocities?
Both are awful.
07 Dec 23
@vivify saidI think right-wing atrocities are more noticeable, drastic and immediately obvious like wars, extremist behaviour. The left-wing variety tends to be slower and less obvious but equally dangerous.
When we think of the most egregious acts of violence and oppression, right-wing governments and movements typically come to mind: Nazis, medieval Christianity, Communist China under Moa, etc.
What are examples of the left-wing atrocities? And what are the worst? I'm not referring to acts by individual leftists but movements, governments, organizations, etc.
Something led to the death of good family life and values in many parts of the world. Maybe feminism and leftwing ideals are to blame. When family values die, the cohesiveness of society dles and it leads to crime, promiscuity, unwanted pregancies, abortions etc.
Obviously just my personal opinion.
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07 Dec 23
@vivify saidYeah I saw your redefining of the word right wing in order to make communist tyrants suddenly be on the right.
See the second post of this thread. Though they don't favor free markets they are right wing.
Very convenient the way you use words, just like the caterpillar in Alice in Wonderland.
"Words mean exactly what I say they mean" I believe was his claim.
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07 Dec 23
You define right wing:
A quick guide for some of the posters here:
Right wing: favors traditionalism, authority, nationalism and free markets.
Then you claim mao was right wing.
Did you ever hear of his "Cultural Revolution" when he tore down traditional values because they were evil and the old folks were set upon by violent revolutionary young people?
Hmmmmm?
Face it, you're playing word games.
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@rajk999 saidPromiscuity and family values aren't really a left/right thing.
I think right-wing atrocities are more noticeable, drastic and immediately obvious like wars, extremist behaviour. The left-wing variety tends to be slower and less obvious but equally dangerous.
Something led to the death of good family life and values in many parts of the world. Maybe feminism and leftwing ideals are to blame. When family values die, the cohesivene ...[text shortened]... to crime, promiscuity, unwanted pregancies, abortions etc.
Obviously just my personal opinion.
In Biblical times the idea of promiscuity didn't really exist for males; only women were really charged with being promiscuous. Think of Judah who slept with a prostitute. When he later found his daughter was a prostitute he called for her to be burned to death. It was okay for him to have sex with a prostitute but not for her to be one. Despite it being revealed that he was the one who slept with her (she was disguised during the act) he still went on to be a patriarch for one the 12 Jewish tribes.
In the Bible, only women were stoned to death for premarital sex. It was fine for men so long as it wasn't with someone else's wife. In that right-wing, religious society, promiscuity was only limited for women, not men.
Even with "leftists" merely having sex outside of marriage doesn't equal promiscuity. Young people tend to lean left but still want committed relationships. The may live with their significant other outside of matrimony but still prefer monogamous relationships.
Conservative or right-wing societies do frown on promiscuity more, I'll agree with that. Right-wingers do clamp down on the idea more than leftists.
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07 Dec 23
@vivify saidThanks for a paragraph that has nothing to do with your claim about atrocities.
Promiscuity and family values aren't really a left/right thing.
In Biblical times the idea of promiscuity didn't really exist for males; only women were really charged with being promiscuous. Think of Judah who slept with a prostitute. When he later found his daughter was a prostitute he called for her to be burned to death. It was okay for him to have sex with a prost ...[text shortened]... promiscuity more, I'll agree with that. Right-wingers do clamp down on the idea more than leftists.
@jj-adams saidMao didn't tear down traditional values, he only sought to change China's economic model. Women remained second-class citizens and sworn loyalty to the Chinese state was still expected.
You define right wing:
A quick guide for some of the posters here:
Right wing: favors traditionalism, authority, nationalism and free markets.
Then you claim mao was right wing.
Did you ever hear of his "Cultural Revolution" when he tore down traditional values because they were evil and the old folks were set upon by violent revolutionary young people?
Hmmmmm?
Face it, you're playing word games.
Being right-wing doesn't mean you tick every single box in the checklist. There are plenty of right-wingers who hate government even though authoritarianism is a staple of far-right nations.
However, you cannot be both leftist and authoritarian; that's a contradiction in terms. Leftism aims to move power toward the citizenry rather than the government. That's why Mao can't qualify as being left.
@rajk999 saidFamily values is a very very broad term, so people use it to mean many different things. What specific values are you referring to? Hard work, duty, grit, determination, tradition, humility, kindness. These are values, and they have nothing to do with political ideology.
I think right-wing atrocities are more noticeable, drastic and immediately obvious like wars, extremist behaviour. The left-wing variety tends to be slower and less obvious but equally dangerous.
Something led to the death of good family life and values in many parts of the world. Maybe feminism and leftwing ideals are to blame. When family values die, the cohesivene ...[text shortened]... to crime, promiscuity, unwanted pregancies, abortions etc.
Obviously just my personal opinion.
07 Dec 23
@vivify saidWhat do you mean, social equality? I do not know what that means, and I’ve been listening to you fellers who write about it for years.
A quick guide for some of the posters here:
Right wing: favors traditionalism, authority, nationalism and free markets
Left wing: Favors social equality, republicanism and multiculturalism
Can you define it?