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  1. Account suspended
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    16 Mar '16 22:22
    According to Henry Ford,
    "Exercise is bunk. If you are healthy, you don't need it: if you are sick you should not take it."
    He lived to be 83 and died in 1947 when the average American male life expectancy was like 52 or something .
    I like the guy.
  2. Standard memberwolfgang59
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    17 Mar '16 10:48
    Originally posted by FishHead111
    According to Henry Ford,
    "Exercise is bunk. If you are healthy, you don't need it: if you are sick you should not take it."
    He lived to be 83 and died in 1947 when the average American male life expectancy was like 52 or something .
    I like the guy.
    Average life expectancies are mainly determined by infant mortality rates.
    83 is a good age but not exceptional.
    My father-in-law is 88 and in good health.
    He hasn't relied on modern medicine but was very active up until his mid seventies.
  3. Standard membersh76
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    17 Mar '16 13:32
    Plane crashes are not that big a deal. People who die in plane crashes probably weren't going to live much longer anyway and people who survive them aren't killed by them.

    Autumn Veatch survived a plane crash. Her hair was burning, but she still tried to save other passengers. I like her.
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    17 Mar '16 13:36
    Smoking isn't bad. My grandmother was a smoker her entire life and lived (in good health) until the age of 95. Smoking isn't bad.
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    17 Mar '16 13:551 edit
    Originally posted by FishHead111
    I like the guy.
    But do you like him because he said something stupid, or do you like him because he is famous and said something that gives you an excuse not to do something you know you should really be doing?
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    17 Mar '16 14:05
    Originally posted by twhitehead
    But do you like him because he said something stupid, or do you like him because he is famous and said something that gives you an excuse not to do something you know you should really be doing?
    I like the twisted outlandish reasoning of his statement, I've used it a few times and always get a look of "WTF?" in return. It must be said with a straight face and serious manner, if you're smiling people know you're putting them on. .
  7. Standard memberbill718
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    17 Mar '16 14:08
    Originally posted by FishHead111
    According to Henry Ford,
    "Exercise is bunk. If you are healthy, you don't need it: if you are sick you should not take it."
    He lived to be 83 and died in 1947 when the average American male life expectancy was like 52 or something .
    I like the guy.
    Your idea flies in the face of hundreds of years of evidence to the contrary.
  8. The Catbird's Seat
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    17 Mar '16 14:12
    Originally posted by bill718
    Your idea flies in the face of hundreds of years of evidence to the contrary.
    You know bill, that there are exceptions to every rule.
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    17 Mar '16 18:24
    Originally posted by normbenign
    You know bill, that there are exceptions to every rule.
    "You know bill, that there are exceptions to every rule."

    Even that one?
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    17 Mar '16 18:53
    Ford hated Jews. He refused to hire them and he wrote this book:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_International_Jew
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    17 Mar '16 23:18
    Originally posted by Great King Rat
    Smoking isn't bad. My grandmother was a smoker her entire life and lived (in good health) until the age of 95. Smoking isn't bad.
    We all can cite some anecdotal "evidence" about something or another.

    Lots of things are bad, and a few things that are good for some, are bad for others.

    My great grandmother lived healthily to 99, slept, ate and cooked in her kitchen with two oil fired stoves for heat and cooking. Not a suggested lifestyle.

    I've suspected that our diet of processed foods has a lot to do with our health or lack of it. We collectively have increased longevity, but it is doubtful that we are healthier. Most of the increased longevity is created by limiting infant mortality, and finding ways to keep sick people alive. I see no evidence of average 70 year olds being more healthy.
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    17 Mar '16 23:451 edit
    Originally posted by normbenign
    We all can cite some anecdotal "evidence" about something or another.

    Lots of things are bad, and a few things that are good for some, are bad for others.

    My great grandmother lived healthily to 99, slept, ate and cooked in her kitchen with two oil fired stoves for heat and cooking. Not a suggested lifestyle.

    I've suspected that our diet of pr ...[text shortened]... g ways to keep sick people alive. I see no evidence of average 70 year olds being more healthy.
    There is a phenomenon called the rectangularization of the demographic (or survival) curve. There are numerous reports on the internet that say basically that death say, before age 75, is becoming less prevalent but this is not making much of a dent in the fact that very few people make it to 90. The curve is being compressed, more than it is being shifted.

    http://www.med.uottawa.ca/sim/data/Rectangularization_of_mortality_e.htm

    http://www.americorpshealth.biz/memory-cells/limits-on-life-expectancy-and-future-prospects.html
  13. The Catbird's Seat
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    18 Mar '16 00:05
    Originally posted by JS357
    There is a phenomenon called the rectangularization of the demographic (or survival) curve. There are numerous reports on the internet that say basically that death say, before age 75, is becoming less prevalent but this is not making much of a dent in the fact that very few people make it to 90. The curve is being compressed, more than it is being shifted.
    ...[text shortened]... http://www.americorpshealth.biz/memory-cells/limits-on-life-expectancy-and-future-prospects.html
    I am just short of 73, but may well have been dead had a sleep specialist not referred me to a cardiologist who identified two critical anurisms in my aorta. I had no symptoms, other than shortness of breath which I attributed to old age.

    I did plenty of exercise in my time, and don't conclude it was useless. I may not live longer than average, but may survive longer than I might otherwise have done without it. In any case, I enjoyed the exercise and the temporary benefits it gave.
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    18 Mar '16 17:371 edit
    Who cares if another person is 'healthy' or not. Live and let live. Die and let die.

    The healthy ones will cost society the most because they will experience the most costly years while the unhealthy die off earlier helping society.

    Eat wrong, don't take care of yourself you die.

    Eat right and take care of yourself and die.
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    18 Mar '16 18:21
    Originally posted by JS357
    "You know bill, that there are exceptions to every rule."

    Even that one?
    The exception for that rule is that it has no exceptions.
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