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  1. 01 Jun '10 01:41
    Well its official, the state of the Sudan can now be declared a failed experiment.

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/04/21/human-rights-groups-criticize-obama-response-sudanese-election-concerns/

    "Human rights groups are blasting the Obama administration for its tepid response to alegations of abuse in Sudan's elections, accusing President Obama of going soft on Sudanese leader Omar al-Bashir. Following reports from international monitors that the country's first multiparty elections in 24 years were flawed, the White House released a written statement Tuesday saying the US "notes" such assessments and "regrets" more was not done to prevent voting problems. "Political rights and freedoms were circumscribed throughout the electorial process, there were reports of intimidation and threats of violence in South Sudan, ongoing conflict in Darfur did not permit an environment conducive to acceptable elections and inadequacies in technical preperations for the vote results in serious irregularities," the statement said. But several human rights organizations called on Obama to step up the pressure on the Sudanese government with the election marking a critical juncture in the country's potential path toward peace. "US Sudan policy is, in effect, promoting abuses and impunity, when it does not go beyond statements of regret and move towards true consequences and pressures," Gabriel Stauring, director of Stop Genocide Now, said in a written statement. "Each time the Obama administration does not stand on principle and build international consequences for further abuses of human and civil rights, a powerful signal is sent to the Sudanese parties," said John Prendergast, co-founder of the Enough project, which focuses on genocide and human rights abuses. "The stakes continue to get higher in Sudan, and the administration's bar for moving forward continues to get lower." AS a presidential candidate and senator, Obama frequently used tough rhetoric to describe the situation in Sudan. During a 2006 speech, he said, "paralysis in the face of genocide is wrong." As a candidate in 2007, he said, "our conscience cannot rest" until the "genocide" in the western region of Darfur is stopped. In 2008, he criticized the Bush administration for negotiating with Sudan, calling the move a "reckless and cynical initiative." But since entering the White House, Obama has recalibrated his own approach to the country. The administration launched a new policy last fall offering incentives to the Sudanese government to work toward peace. The elections were considered a key part of the peace process. But monitors found cases of voter intimidation, names missing from registries and other problems. Al-Bashir also won an overwhelming percentage of the vote after top challengers dropped out. Some opposition leaders described the election, which could pose problems as the country works toward a 2011 referandum on independence for southern Sudan. Rep Frank Wolf said many of Obama's campaign promises on Sudan had been broken, calling his overall record "an abomination'. "This administration has a horrible record on human rights and religious freedom," Wolf said, adding that on Sudan policy, "I think it's been a fiasco and a disaster." The two decade conflict in Sudan between the South and north left 2 million people dead. The seperate conflict between Khartoum and Darfur has been blamed for 300,000 deaths since 2003. Al-Bashir has been accused of supporting militias that have slaughtered thousands in the western region of the country. The International Criminal Court issued an arrest warrant for as-Bashir last year on war crimes charges. Until recently, human rights groups that focus on Sudan and the genocide in Darfur were content to gently push Obama and his administration to commit to a plan for Sudan. Those calls became stronger Tuesday as results from the recent Sudanese elections demonstrated the country had experienced irregularities in the system. While the White House is currently busy pushing for financial regulation, addressing emerging reports about threats form Iran's nuclear program and preparing for the November elections, the president has carved out some time for Sudan. He met with his special envoy to the region, Scott Gration, in the Oval Office on Monday before he departed for fundraisers in LA. The statement from the White House said the administration will continue to work on the issue. The White House said it is "critical" to continue seeking progress on "civil and political rights" for Sudanese and pledged to "continue to promote peace, security, and accountability in Darfur".

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    The President then went on to say that he regreted the 2 million deaths in Darfur and the continuing genocide in the Sudan, but right now he was more concerned about Jewish settlements in their own capital of Jerusalem as well as being concerned about the Zionists boarding a ship in a vain attempt to stop weapons from coming into Gaza that would threaten more Israeli civilians. Just kidding.

    So is the Sudanese government a failed state? Should the UN move to remove the government of the Sudan? Should they then be "relocated" to another far away place on the globe?
  2. 01 Jun '10 01:53
    how'd that work out for Haiti?
  3. 01 Jun '10 02:11 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by zeeblebot
    how'd that work out for Haiti?
    Please. Don't conern us with another failed state that noooone cares anything about. I guess no one told you that the Zionists are what is wrong with the world. Geesh.

    Perhaps we could find some God forsaken speck on the globe to send all of these "failed states'?
  4. Subscriber AThousandYoung
    Poor Filipov :,(
    01 Jun '10 03:35
    What does Obama have to do with Sudan?
  5. 01 Jun '10 05:50
    Originally posted by AThousandYoung
    What does Obama have to do with Sudan?
    Yes, why? There is no oil in Dafur, is there?
  6. 01 Jun '10 09:08
    Originally posted by whodey
    Please. Don't conern us with another failed state that noooone cares anything about. I guess no one told you that the Zionists are what is wrong with the world. Geesh.

    Perhaps we could find some God forsaken speck on the globe to send all of these "failed states'?
    Virtually the whole of Africa is a disaster.
  7. 01 Jun '10 09:13 / 3 edits
    Originally posted by AThousandYoung
    What does Obama have to do with Sudan?
    Apparnelty Obama has nothing to do with the Sudan at all, in fact, apparently the entire world feels the same. On the one hand he says that the genocide must stop and he is very concerned about it and, on the other hand, he seems to have more important things to tend to.
  8. Subscriber AThousandYoung
    Poor Filipov :,(
    01 Jun '10 18:40 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by whodey
    Apparnelty Obama has nothing to do with the Sudan at all, in fact, apparently the entire world feels the same. On the one hand he says that the genocide must stop and he is very concerned about it and, on the other hand, he seems to have more important things to tend to.
    Well, yeah, he does have more important things to attend to. That's why I asked why you brought him up. Obama is not the hegemon of the world!
  9. 01 Jun '10 19:38
    Originally posted by whodey
    Please. Don't conern us with another failed state that noooone cares anything about. I guess no one told you that the Zionists are what is wrong with the world. Geesh.

    Perhaps we could find some God forsaken speck on the globe to send all of these "failed states'?
    Send them all to Ohio.
  10. Subscriber AThousandYoung
    Poor Filipov :,(
    01 Jun '10 19:40
    Originally posted by whodey
    Please. Don't conern us with another failed state that noooone cares anything about. I guess no one told you that the Zionists are what is wrong with the world. Geesh.

    Perhaps we could find some God forsaken speck on the globe to send all of these "failed states'?
    Now we're talking about Zionists? Why?
  11. 01 Jun '10 19:47
    Originally posted by whodey
    Apparnelty Obama has nothing to do with the Sudan at all, in fact, apparently the entire world feels the same. On the one hand he says that the genocide must stop and he is very concerned about it and, on the other hand, he seems to have more important things to tend to.
    thousands of US citizens are out of work due to the British oil spill!