Never actually thought about this.
But yeah, it could be an issue.
What y’all think?
https://www.bbc.com/news/health-53409521
Japan's population is projected to fall from a peak of 128 million in 2017 to less than 53 million by the end of the century.
Italy is expected to see an equally dramatic population crash from 61 million to 28 million over the same timeframe.
They are two of 23 countries - which also include Spain, Portugal, Thailand and South Korea - expected to see their population more than halve.
"That is jaw-dropping," Prof Christopher Murray told me.
China, currently the most populous nation in the world, is expected to peak at 1.4 billion in four years' time before nearly halving to 732 million by 2100. India will take its place.
The UK is predicted to peak at 75 million in 2063, and fall to 71 million by 2100.
You might think this is great for the environment. A smaller population would reduce carbon emissions as well as deforestation for farmland.
"That would be true except for the inverted age structure (more old people than young people) and all the uniformly negative consequences of an inverted age structure," says Prof Murray.
@shavixmir saidIt’s an interesting topic but can I just make a comment about the BBC reporter James Gallagher’s slant within his text, and also the study itself using “fertility rates” in the title and through the commentary.
Never actually thought about this.
But yeah, it could be an issue.
What y’all think?
https://www.bbc.com/news/health-53409521
Japan's population is projected to fall from a peak of 128 million in 2017 to less than 53 million by the end of the century.
Italy is expected to see an equally dramatic population crash from 61 million to 28 million over the same timeframe ...[text shortened]... people) and all the uniformly negative consequences of an inverted age structure," says Prof Murray.
Firstly the study (which is financed by the Gates Foundation) talks about falling fertility rates when actual (male or female) fertility is absolutely nothing to do with the projected fall in population size; at least not according to the study. According the study the fall is due to women’s “education” and “choice” to not have so many children. It’s a big extrapolation over time based on that current social phenomena.
Secondly Gallagher (the reporter for the BBC) quotes the original study, published in the Lancet, as saying
“Instead it is being driven by more women in education and work, as well as greater access to contraception, leading to women choosing to have fewer children.”
The study does not mention more women being in “work” as being part of the cause. It’s simply doesn’t say that. He’s made it up!
Gallagher then compounds this misreporting by claiming (completely unreferenced) that:
”UK have Countries, including the UK, have used migration to boost their population and compensate for falling fertility rates.”
This is frankly completely erroneous and is NOT in the report either! It’s not even in the dialogue with the author Murray, but Gallagher infers that it is.
In summary then; this study does NOT show that more women being in work is causing a global drop in infertility, and it does NOT claim that counties have tried to combat this trend by increasing immigration.
The report in mid 2020 and is a class example of subtle BBC bias of the period ~ I.e. pre Brexit withdrawal agreement finalisation.
Anyway, other than that, yes it’s highly interesting.
Most people are simply not needed anymore. It is either population reduction or a universal basic income.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/quora/2018/01/18/technology-has-already-taken-over-90-of-the-jobs-humans-used-to-do/?sh=10679c6c1bdd
The Rockefellers and Bill Gates simply don't want to feed useless eaters.
“Power is the ultimate aphrodisiac,” and “The elderly are useless eaters”.
– Henry Kissinger
https://infiniteunknown.net/2013/12/05/henry-kissinger-quotes-on-depopulation-and/
SARS2 mostly kills off the elderly, except Dr. Evil Kissinger.
Neat coincidence.
@shavixmir saidhttps://www.hrw.org/news/2018/12/04/you-should-be-worrying-about-woman-shortage#
Never actually thought about this.
But yeah, it could be an issue.
What y’all think?
https://www.bbc.com/news/health-53409521
Japan's population is projected to fall from a peak of 128 million in 2017 to less than 53 million by the end of the century.
China, currently the most populous nation in the world, is expected to peak at 1.4 billion in four years' time before nearly halving to 732 million by 2100. India will take its place.
While Japan's falling birthrate is due to a massive social problem where young people are both avoiding contact with other human beings and shunning romantic relationships, China and India have long had selective breeding policies that favor male children. The result is a shortage of women compared to men in both countries.
In India, having girls were seen as a burden; one reason is due to dowries, where the family of the bride is expected to give expensive gifts to the groom. China, at one time, had a one-child-per-family policy to slow down population growth. This ended five years ago after being in place for decades, but contributed to abortion of female offspring to have a male carry on the family name.
@vivify saidThe article in the link also cites a Newsweek piece from around the 90's that said women over age 40 are more likely to be killed by terrorists than get married. Many cultures see women as less desirable as they older.
https://www.hrw.org/news/2018/12/04/you-should-be-worrying-about-woman-shortage#
While Japan's falling birthrate is due to a massive social problem where young people are both avoiding contact with other human beings and shunning romantic relationships, China and India have long had selective breeding policies that favor male children. The result is a shortage of women co ...[text shortened]... or decades, but contributed to abortion of female offspring to have a male carry on the family name.
I'm not sure how much this contributes to falling birthrates since this is nothing new; the "old maid" idea has probably been around for centuries. But in this day and age, that idea may be a factor in falling birthrates, since women are increasingly focusing on career goals rather than marriage, and are getting married later in life as a result.
@shavixmir saidA good thing. Over time the LBR countries will have to encourage migration from HBR ones, much like Canada and Australia are doing now.
Never actually thought about this.
But yeah, it could be an issue.
What y’all think?
https://www.bbc.com/news/health-53409521
Japan's population is projected to fall from a peak of 128 million in 2017 to less than 53 million by the end of the century.
Italy is expected to see an equally dramatic population crash from 61 million to 28 million over the same timeframe ...[text shortened]... people) and all the uniformly negative consequences of an inverted age structure," says Prof Murray.
@divegeester saidThis is very much the case in South Korea. Women are choosing to not marry or have children at all because doing so often means giving up their careers for domestic servitude.
According the study the fall is due to women’s “education” and “choice” to not have so many children.
Now that I think of it, the more progressive toward women's rights any nation becomes, the lower birthrate. This includes abortion rights as well as women rejecting traditional gender roles.
Humanity "dabbled" in test tube babies several decades back.
I expect this to come back in a big way with more advanced technologies in future.
This will counteract the decline caused by the growing influence of women in regards education and choice as was mentioned above.
Of course, there will be the usual societal complications.
It will also render mute the usual touchy issue of abortion since unwanted pregnancies will disappear.
Of course, some groups like the religious right won't be satisfied as this will not eliminate the evil root cause of the abortion issue, that being promiscuity, or "recreational sex" as averagejoe liked to call it. 😛
@shavixmir saidIt's a direct result of the increase in wealth disparity among the people.
Never actually thought about this.
But yeah, it could be an issue.
What y’all think?
https://www.bbc.com/news/health-53409521
Japan's population is projected to fall from a peak of 128 million in 2017 to less than 53 million by the end of the century.
Italy is expected to see an equally dramatic population crash from 61 million to 28 million over the same timeframe ...[text shortened]... people) and all the uniformly negative consequences of an inverted age structure," says Prof Murray.
@mghrn55 saidThat will not in any way solve the problem of cost of raising a child being too high relative to wages
Humanity "dabbled" in test tube babies several decades back.
I expect this to come back in a big way with more advanced technologies in future.
This will counteract the decline caused by the growing influence of women in regards education and choice as was mentioned above.
Of course, there will be the usual societal complications.
It will also render mute the usual touc ...[text shortened]... the abortion issue, that being promiscuity, or "recreational sex" as averagejoe liked to call it. 😛