@metal-brain saidHow many threads are you going to troll with the same subject which has already been answered multiple times (including by an Israeli study you have often cited)?
Fauci Has No Answer--Why Vaxx People With Natural Immunity?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qnMjFy0OAjM&t=310s
Perhaps Fauci needs no1 to help him give an answer. no1 could be his motivational speaker. You can lie again, you can do it!
@no1marauder saidAs you pointed out that study is not peer reviewed and I think you made up the 98% figure. Watch the video. Biden, Pelosi and Fauci all said they could not impose vaccine mandates. They didn't say they wouldn't, they said they couldn't. All on video.
How many threads are you going to troll with the same subject which has already been answered multiple times (including by an Israeli study you have often cited)?
The 98% effectiveness against the delta you claimed is obviously false. The CDC said the vaccines no longer stop the spread of covid. They didn't say 2% less than before and there are plenty of studies that contradict your made up number.
STOP LYING!
@metal-brain saidThe figure comes from the same Israeli study you have cited numerous times:
As you pointed out that study is not peer reviewed and I think you made up the 98% figure. Watch the video. Biden, Pelosi and Fauci all said they could not impose vaccine mandates. They didn't say they wouldn't, they said they couldn't. All on video.
The 98% effectiveness against the delta you claimed is obviously false. The CDC said the vaccines no longer stop the spr ...[text shortened]... less than before and there are plenty of studies that contradict your made up number.
STOP LYING!
"Overall, 673,676 MHS members 16 years and older were eligible for the study group of fully vaccinated SARS-CoV-2-naïve individuals; 62,883 were eligible for the study group of unvaccinated previously infected individuals and 42,099 individuals were eligible for the study group of previously infected and single-dose vaccinees.
Model 1 – previously infected vs. vaccinated individuals, with matching for time of first event
In model 1, we matched 16,215 persons in each group. Overall, demographic characteristics were similar between the groups, with some differences in their comorbidity profile (Table 1a).
During the follow-up period, 257 cases of SARS-CoV-2 infection were recorded, of which 238 occurred in the vaccinated group (breakthrough infections) and 19 in the previously infected group (reinfections). After adjusting for comorbidities, we found a statistically significant 13.06-fold (95% CI, 8.08 to 21.11) increased risk for breakthrough infection as opposed to reinfection (P<0.001).
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.24.21262415v1.full
238 breakthrough cases out of 16,215 is an effectiveness rate of better than 98%.
If you had read the study rather than just crank conspiracy sites, you'd know this.
04 Oct 21
@no1marauder saidProve it. Saying it isn't proving it.
The figure comes from the same Israeli study you have cited numerous times.
If you had read the study rather than just crank conspiracy sites, you'd know this.
It simply makes no sense at all. Israel blamed their surge in infections on the delta variant. 2% can do that? Booster shots didn't help either.
STOP LYING!
@no1marauder saidYou said the delta variant. Your last post didn't even contain the word "delta".
The figure comes from the same Israeli study you have cited numerous times:
"Overall, 673,676 MHS members 16 years and older were eligible for the study group of fully vaccinated SARS-CoV-2-naïve individuals; 62,883 were eligible for the study group of unvaccinated previously infected individuals and 42,099 individuals were eligible for the study group of previously in ...[text shortened]... ter than 98%.
If you had read the study rather than just crank conspiracy sites, you'd know this.
@metal-brain saidI just did quoting from the same study you cited over and over and over again.
Prove it. Saying it isn't proving it.
It simply makes no sense at all. Israel blamed their surge in infections on the delta variant. 2% can do that? Booster shots didn't help either.
STOP LYING!
About 40% of Israel's population was unvaccinated as I already showed you. And Israel's number of active cases is now less than half of what it was a month ago (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/israel/).
@no1marauder said"During the follow-up period, 257 cases of SARS-CoV-2 infection were recorded, of which 238 occurred in the vaccinated group (breakthrough infections) and 19 in the previously infected group (reinfections)"
I just did quoting from the same study you cited over and over and over again.
About 40% of Israel's population was unvaccinated as I already showed you.
That is your quote from the study. It says 19 in the previously infected group. DUH!!!!
Do math much?
@metal-brain said"DUH" should be attached to all your posts.
"During the follow-up period, 257 cases of SARS-CoV-2 infection were recorded, of which 238 occurred in the vaccinated group (breakthrough infections) and 19 in the previously infected group (reinfections)"
That is your quote from the study. It says 19 in the previously infected group. DUH!!!!
Do math much?
Yes, the study claimed that natural immunity was superior to the Pfizer vaccination. It also showed that the Pfizer vaccination was more than 98% effective against the Delta variant during the period of the study. It also said that a vaccination for those who had already had COVID offered even more protection than natural immunity itself.
If you had bothered to read the study, you'd have known all this rather than making me explain it to you.
@metal-brain said"Model 3 - previously infected vs. vaccinated and previously infected individuals
Fauci Has No Answer--Why Vaxx People With Natural Immunity?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qnMjFy0OAjM&t=310s
Perhaps Fauci needs no1 to help him give an answer. no1 could be his motivational speaker. You can lie again, you can do it!
In model 3, we matched 14,029 persons. Baseline characteristics of the groups are presented in Table 1b. Examining previously infected individuals to those who were both previously infected and received a single dose of the vaccine, we found that the latter group had a significant 0.53-fold (95% CI, 0.3 to 0.92) (Table 4a) decreased risk for reinfection, as 20 had a positive RT-PCR test, compared to 37 in the previously infected and unvaccinated group."
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.24.21262415v1.full
@no1marauder saidDuh!
"DUH" should be attached to all your posts.
Yes, the study claimed that natural immunity was superior to the Pfizer vaccination. It also showed that the Pfizer vaccination was more than 98% effective against the Delta variant during the period of the study. It also said that a vaccination for those who had already had COVID offered even more protection than natural imm ...[text shortened]... u had bothered to read the study, you'd have known all this rather than making me explain it to you.
https://www.webmd.com/vaccines/covid-19-vaccine/news/20210825/cdc-covid-19-vaccines-66-percent-effective-against-delta-variant
https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/564288-study-pfizer-vaccine-88-percent-effective-against-delta-variant
This one says 64%
https://www.nj.com/coronavirus/2021/07/delta-variant-is-pfizer-vaccine-effective-against-dominant-strain-of-covid.html
And guess what their source is?
https://www.timesofisrael.com/israel-confirms-vaccine-less-effective-against-delta-variant-eyes-third-dose/
Once again.
Do math much?
@metal-brain said"They also found 24 infections among 2,352 fully vaccinated people,"
Duh!
https://www.webmd.com/vaccines/covid-19-vaccine/news/20210825/cdc-covid-19-vaccines-66-percent-effective-against-delta-variant
https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/564288-study-pfizer-vaccine-88-percent-effective-against-delta-variant
This one says 64%
https://www.nj.com/coronavirus/2021/07/delta-variant-is-pfizer-vaccine-effective-against-dominant-strai ...[text shortened]... confirms-vaccine-less-effective-against-delta-variant-eyes-third-dose/
Once again.
Do math much?
That's even lower than the Israeli study.
@no1marauder saidThis one says 64%
"They also found 24 infections among 2,352 fully vaccinated people,"
That's even lower than the Israeli study.
https://www.nj.com/coronavirus/2021/07/delta-variant-is-pfizer-vaccine-effective-against-dominant-strain-of-covid.html
And guess what their source is?
https://www.timesofisrael.com/israel-confirms-vaccine-less-effective-against-delta-variant-eyes-third-dose/
Once again.
Do math much?
@metal-brain saidFrom the Israeli study already cited, 238 cases out of 16,215 is .0146.
This one says 64%
https://www.nj.com/coronavirus/2021/07/delta-variant-is-pfizer-vaccine-effective-against-dominant-strain-of-covid.html
And guess what their source is?
https://www.timesofisrael.com/israel-confirms-vaccine-less-effective-against-delta-variant-eyes-third-dose/
Once again.
Do math much?
From your article, 24 divided by 2352 is .01.
So according to the numbers in the sources you used, a vaccinated person's chances of getting the Delta variant during the periods of the studies was approximately 1-1.5%.
04 Oct 21
@no1marauder saidYour methodology is flawed. You didn't compare it to the unvaccinnated with previous infections and that is 19 out of 16,215. They used the same number of people in both groups, right?
From the Israeli study already cited, 238 cases out of 16,215 is .0146.
From your article, 24 divided by 2352 is .01.
So according to the numbers in the sources you used, a vaccinated person's chances of getting the Delta variant during the periods of the studies was approximately 1-1.5%.
What is 19 out of 16,215 Mr. math wizard?