If someone works all the time, and still has a low wage, if deosn't make sense for them to work for the government as well.
Also, government don't tend to have many labour jobs spare- not many governments actually own any building/ construction sectors. People have low wagwes cos they can't get jobs cos they don't have the skills- your arguments doesn't make sense
If you take Forbes proposal from a few years back where he suggest a 17% flat tax with a personal exemption on the first $13,000 on income....
POOR PEOPLE: Don't pay taxes already and wouldn't receive any benefit
MIDDLE CLASS: less than a few hundred dollars in tax relief depending on what benefits you are claiming.
RICH PEOPLE: Huge benefit since tax rate reduced from approx 40% down to 17%. A person making $200K would see a savings of approx $30,000
Only one benefit:
The cost of administering the current tax system is substantially eliminated. However, since rich people are substantially reducing their contribution of tax money, the savings from less administration of the tax system would, in effect, result in a redirection of money. Instead of the money being used to pay for thousands of federal/ state accounting and assistant jobs, it would be funnelled back to rich people.
This is the only real reason the flat tax is being pushed. It eliminates middle class jobs and gives the savings to rich people.
Originally posted by wedgehead2it makes a lot of sense; check this out.
If someone works all the time, and still has a low wage, if deosn't make sense for them to work for the government as well.
Also, government don't tend to have many labour jobs spare- not many governments actually own any building/ construction sectors. People have low wagwes cos they can't get jobs cos they don't have the skills- your arguments doesn't make sense
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civilian_Conservation_Corps
Originally posted by zeeblebotthe part i forgot to include is, people who pay taxes are already paying labor to the government, in liquid form (cash).
it should go even farther (lower) ....
anyone who can not make enough to be taxed should contribute labor to the government (up to a limit) to make up the difference ...
a LOT of labor.
why shouldn't people who don't pay taxes also have to provide the same?
Originally posted by zeeblebotI would support the idea that able people who don't pay taxes should work on large public sector projects. I was just pointing out that governemnt's don't now have the power Roosevelt's did.
the part i forgot to include is, people who pay taxes are already paying labor to the government, in liquid form (cash).
a LOT of labor.
why shouldn't people who don't pay taxes also have to provide the same?
Originally posted by wedgehead2We pay the government to provide for the public welfare -- defense, maintaining a currency, justice, police, etc. The trouble is the government sometimes gets to thinking we OWE them something. We don't. We pay taxes and expect something in return.
If someone works all the time, and still has a low wage, if deosn't make sense for them to work for the government as well.
Also, government don't tend to have many labour jobs spare- not many governments actually own any building/ construction sectors. People have low wagwes cos they can't get jobs cos they don't have the skills- your arguments doesn't make sense
Because governments do not face any market competition, though, there is no mechanism naturally keeping them lean and efficient. That's why you have to constantly hammer on them to do better -- just so that they stay the same.
There's an argument that the richer you are, the more you would lose from not having good police, defense, currency, etc. So there is probably some logic to not having an absolutely flat tax rate but something more progressive.
Whatver the system, it should be simple.
Originally posted by zeeblebotNot strictly true unless you subscribe to the Marxist value of labour theory. But hey, maybe you do.
the part i forgot to include is, people who pay taxes are already paying labor to the government, in liquid form (cash).
a LOT of labor.
why shouldn't people who don't pay taxes also have to provide the same?
