Has anyone heard of this?
Everything I can find (and it’s not much) seems to suggest the Critical Care Worker Group from the US has a method of vastly reducing Corona related deaths.
But nobody seems to be picking up on it.
That’s strange, which in turn makes me find the claims rather dubious.
The basic Math+ method is trucks loads of Vitamin C mixed with a bunch of readily available steroids. This offsets the body’s reaction to Corona (the reaction which kills people).
Now, I know that Vitamin C bombs are used a lot to keep the flu at bay. I’ve never looked into it seriously though.
But combining vit C with steroids/ cortozone sounds like an efficient way of forcing the body to not overreact.
But, I get that feeling about Ibruprofen as well: it’s an anti-imflation medicine which could be effective... I dunno.
Anyways, anybody heard of this Math+ or the FLCCC?
@shavixmir saidI've been taking supplements for Vitamin C, Vitamin D, Zinc and Echinacea since early March. Echinacea really because why not? but the others all have been linked to better COVID outcomes (D and Zinc more than C, actually).
Has anyone heard of this?
Everything I can find (and it’s not much) seems to suggest the Critical Care Worker Group from the US has a method of vastly reducing Corona related deaths.
But nobody seems to be picking up on it.
That’s strange, which in turn makes me find the claims rather dubious.
The basic Math+ method is trucks loads of Vitamin C mixed with a bunch ...[text shortened]... medicine which could be effective... I dunno.
Anyways, anybody heard of this Math+ or the FLCCC?
If I got to the point where I or someone I knew had severe COVID and was thought to be in the stage of cytokine storm or immuno-over reaction, I would absolutely ask for dexamethasone, a steroid.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/16/world/europe/dexamethasone-coronavirus-covid.html
@shavixmir saidHave they done a Randomized Controlled Trial? If not then they're giving things to patients without really knowing whether they work. Dexamethasone has been shown to reduce mortality [1] in ventilated patients (rate ratio 0.65 95% CI 0.48 to 0.88; p = 0.0003) and patients requiring oxygen (rate ratio 0.80 [0.67 to 0.96]; p=0.0021) there was no benefit to hospitalized patients not requiring respiratory support (1.22 [0.86 to 1.75]; p=0.14). The p value represents the probability the result could come about by chance. The number needed to treat, in order to save a life is 8, meaning it costs less than £50 to save one life since the drug is cheap about £5 for a course of treatment. Since the protocol you've described involves steroids it probably works for the same reason.
Has anyone heard of this?
Everything I can find (and it’s not much) seems to suggest the Critical Care Worker Group from the US has a method of vastly reducing Corona related deaths.
But nobody seems to be picking up on it.
That’s strange, which in turn makes me find the claims rather dubious.
The basic Math+ method is trucks loads of Vitamin C mixed with a bunch ...[text shortened]... medicine which could be effective... I dunno.
Anyways, anybody heard of this Math+ or the FLCCC?
[1] https://www.recoverytrial.net/news/[WORD TOO LONG]
@shavixmir saidI tried Wikipedia, I wonder if it's these guys:
Okay. Yes, this is interesting.
But does anyone known the FLCCC? I mean, surely if they’re for something that works and they publish it, we would have heard of them?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foot_Locker_Cross_Country_Championships
@shavixmir saidGoogle provided the answer:
Okay. Yes, this is interesting.
But does anyone known the FLCCC? I mean, surely if they’re for something that works and they publish it, we would have heard of them?
If you click on the evidence tab you'll find a link to the Oxford groups page on the dexamethasone trial.
https://covid19criticalcare.com/
@earl-of-trumps saidSteroids are anti-inflammatories (at least these ones are). Medrol is another example of a commonly used steroidal anti-inflammatory. It's often used to reduce swelling in muscle spasms.
Treating severe cases with steroids is proving to be saving lives.
But, steroids have little or no effect on milder cases.
Early in the disease (and in mild cases), the problem is the virus. Anti-inflammatories do nothing to kill the virus. In fact, they might slow the body's response to the infection.
But late in the disease, the problem is often that the body is overreacting and the immune system is going crazy, attacking healthy cells.
There, anti-inflammatories can help dramatically.
@deepthought saidCheers!
Google provided the answer:
If you click on the evidence tab you'll find a link to the Oxford groups page on the dexamethasone trial.
https://covid19criticalcare.com/
@sh76 saidI've been taking supplements for Vitamin C, Vitamin D, Zinc and Echinacea since early March. Echinacea really because why not? but the others all have been linked to better COVID outcomes (D and Zinc more than C, actually).
I've been taking supplements for Vitamin C, Vitamin D, Zinc and Echinacea since early March. Echinacea really because why not? but the others all have been linked to better COVID outcomes (D and Zinc more than C, actually).
If I got to the point where I or someone I knew had severe COVID and was thought to be in the stage of cytokine storm or immuno-over reaction, I would abs ...[text shortened]... , a steroid.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/16/world/europe/dexamethasone-coronavirus-covid.html
Good plan, I've been going down roughly the same path.