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What a great example of the woke Right cancel culture trying to punish someone for espousing a viewpoint they disagree with.

A few years back senator Josh Hawley made the argument that his cancelled book deal represented a violation of his first amendment right to free speech for expressing unpopular opinions.

Here we have a government stripping a corporation of their state benefits because they said something that Ron doesn't like. Isnt this a much more clear cut example of a free speech violation?


@sh76 said
One man's "rebuking bigotry" is another man's "using its corporate weight to punish the will of the people"
True. But but bigotry is determined by the motive.

U.S. conservatives, especially in Florida, have been pushing policies that oppress minorities including LGBT for for many years.


@vivify said
True. But but bigotry is determined by the motive.

U.S. conservatives, especially in Florida, have been pushing policies that oppress minorities including LGBT for for many years.
That's what you say.

They say they have nothing against minorities or LGBT people; and that they just don't want their children to be subject to ideology that stunts their gender identity development. They'll tell you that boys are still boys even if they feel like they want to be girls and that a birth certificate gender based on anatomy and DNA is not a mere "guess" and that confusing children by feeding them the idea that they can choose their own sex is bad thing. And that anything that tells them this information is hurting them.

So you disagree.

That's not necessarily bigotry.


@sh76 said
That's what you say.

They say they have nothing against minorities or LGBT people; and that they just don't want their children to be subject to ideology that stunts their gender identity development. They'll tell you that boys are still boys even if they feel like they want to be girls and that a birth certificate gender based on anatomy and DNA is not a mere "guess" and tha ...[text shortened]... tells them this information is hurting them.

So you disagree.

That's not necessarily bigotry.
Birth certificate sex assignment is not based on DNA.


@sh76 said
they just don't want their children to be subject to ideology that stunts their gender identity development.
This is quite an empty statement. How does teaching about sexual orientation/gender identity "stunt" their development? You can't just claim something like this without support for it.

You're also mistaking teaching for promoting. Teaching kids about gays or trans people is not the same as promoting any perceived lifestyle or ideology about it. This is just the irrational fear of religious conservatives.

https://arstechnica.com/science/2023/02/west-virginia-likes-teaching-intelligent-design-florida-against-theories/

Even as we speak, Florida is trying to ban science like evolution because it's "just a theory". At the same time, they're actively pushing Intelligent Design.

Conservative Floridians are pushing religious dogma, not education.

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@sh76 said
That's what you say.

They say they have nothing against minorities or LGBT people; and that they just don't want their children to be subject to ideology that stunts their gender identity development. They'll tell you that boys are still boys even if they feel like they want to be girls and that a birth certificate gender based on anatomy and DNA is not a mere "guess" and tha ...[text shortened]... tells them this information is hurting them.

So you disagree.

That's not necessarily bigotry.
The bottom line is that the State of Florida is openly and brazenly punishing a private corporation for having the temerity to publicly criticize a State statute.

By what reasoning is this not a blatant violation of the First Amendment (as applied to the States by the Fourteenth Amendment)?

EDIT: “We have everything thought out,” DeSantis said. “Don’t let anyone tell you that Disney is going to get a tax cut out of this. They are going to pay more taxes as a result of this.” https://www.indiewire.com/2022/05/disney-district-repeal-lawsuit-desantis-1234722268/

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@wildgrass said
Birth certificate sex assignment is not based on DNA.
Indirectly it is

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@athousandyoung said
Indirectly it is
like hair color. But the genetic info is not needed.


@shavixmir said
Do you think they should be responsible for the tax part of the story, when they have no say in the matter?
yes..like any other business


@no1marauder said
The bottom line is that the State of Florida is openly and brazenly punishing a private corporation for having the temerity to publicly criticize a State statute.

By what reasoning is this not a blatant violation of the First Amendment (as applied to the States by the Fourteenth Amendment)?

EDIT: “We have everything thought out,” DeSantis said. “Don’t let anyone tel ...[text shortened]... of this.[/b]” https://www.indiewire.com/2022/05/disney-district-repeal-lawsuit-desantis-1234722268/
a business having autonomy within the state they reside is not legal to start with


@no1marauder said
The bottom line is that the State of Florida is openly and brazenly punishing a private corporation for having the temerity to publicly criticize a State statute.

By what reasoning is this not a blatant violation of the First Amendment (as applied to the States by the Fourteenth Amendment)?

EDIT: “We have everything thought out,” DeSantis said. “Don’t let anyone tel ...[text shortened]... of this.[/b]” https://www.indiewire.com/2022/05/disney-district-repeal-lawsuit-desantis-1234722268/
I don't disagree with that. What DeSantis is doing might very well be unconstitutional. I just don't think it's necessarily informed by bigotry (not does it have to be, to be unconstitutional).


@vivify said
This is quite an empty statement. How does teaching about sexual orientation/gender identity "stunt" their development? You can't just claim something like this without support for it.

You're also mistaking teaching for promoting. Teaching kids about gays or trans people is not the same as promoting any perceived lifestyle or ideology about it. This is just the irrati ...[text shortened]... y pushing Intelligent Design.

Conservative Floridians are pushing religious dogma, not education.
Forget sexual orientation. That's a different kettle of fish. Teaching a child that he can choose is gender identity based on how he feels makes him less likely to learn to deal with whatever feelings he's having that's making him question his boyhood.

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@wildgrass said
Birth certificate sex assignment is not based on DNA.
Sheesh. My post got auto-removed because I said the word for male genitalia. What is this, a Florida classroom?

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Fine; the determination is only correlated to DNA by almost 100% (almost 100% of babies born with mala genitalia have Y chromosomes).

That's a distinction without a difference.


@sh76 said
Forget sexual orientation. That's a different kettle of fish. Teaching a child that he can choose is gender identity based on how he feels makes him less likely to learn to deal with whatever feelings he's having that's making him question his boyhood.
I actually agree with you here.

Where we differ is if that boy decides he wants to be regarded as female, it's still his right.