Originally posted by FMFReally? It is strange then that such disgraceful sub-human conduct is not induced by other games such as cricket, tennis, or even rugby.
Yes, of course they do.
And they also play soccer here in Indonesia.
Runners up in the Tiger Cup (South East Asian Nations Cup) a couple of times in the last 5 years.
Domestic professional football here is crawling with Brazilian and (sub-Saharan) African journeyman players. They are almost always the best players on the field.
There is loads of fore ...[text shortened]... an environment you'd bring your family into.
But it's not the fault of the sport itself.
One thing I do readily concede however is that at least we cannot blame Islam for this one!
Originally posted by revbuteI don't think it is sub-human conduct. I think it is very human, in fact. Look, hooliganism is a problem. We agree. But you persist with this rather baffling hypothesis that the sport itself "induces" this behaviour. How can you explain the fact that football is played in dozens and dozens of countries and cultures, without any of this 'conduct' we're talking about. The explanation clearly lies somewhere else. Hooliganism is hooliganism, and it has its causes. It happens, for instance, at football games. You can't blame the sport itself. A multitude of crimes, both big and small, occur on trains - assaults, thefts, disorderly behaviour, fraud, indecent exposure, drug taking, to name but a few. Should we blame the trains?
It is strange then that such disgraceful sub-human conduct is not induced by other games
Originally posted by revbuteDisproportionate to the population in general ? I doubt that.
But the fact remains, whether you like it or not, that football (soccer) appeals mainly to the lower orders in any society, and attracts the attention of a disproportionate number of violent yobbos as compared with any other 'sport' at the present time.
And knowing that you have no numbers to back your "fact" I guess that line of argument ends here.
The fact ! remaining is that on 4 continents, football is the sport attracting interest from all layers of society.
The conversation at the side of a polo match may appeal more to you, but consider that the high costs of horse food these days put a high entrance barrier to the sport. And the disproportionate spread of wealth is likely the explanation for a disproportionate support among the population in general.
Football on the other hand is democratic and inclusive. 4 people can enjoy a friendly match and it can be played anywhere there is a bit of grass or gravel, be it Athens, Baku, Copenhagen, Dhaka,....
This also goes for football as a spectator sport.
This does not mean that Polo or what ever you fancy is not a nice sport, please go ahead and enjoy.
One day you may see different.
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Originally posted by mrstabbyIt was a feeble misogynistic put down... Mrs Tabby... or is it Mr Stabby? Or are you perhaps the famous transgender cricketer M.R.S.T. Abby of Sussex, M.C.C. and England (2 Tests [men's team] 1989-1991, 3 Tests [women's team) 1993-1994) who used to spit in public and spent 'his' life explaining things to the weaker sex and 'she' got in that kitchen and rattled those pots and pans.
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Originally posted by FMFI don't think even I know any more...
It was a feeble misogynistic put down... Mrs Tabby... or is it Mr Stabby? Or are you perhaps the famous transgender cricketer M.R.S.T. Abby of Sussex, M.C.C. and England (2 Tests [men's team] 1989-1991, 3 Tests [women's team) 1993-1994) who used to spit in public and spent 'his' life explaining things to the weaker sex and 'she' got in that kitchen and rattled those pots and pans.