From the BBC:
More than 250 hunts will meet legally the day after the ban on hunting with dogs comes into force, campaigners say.
The Countryside Alliance said the 19 February meets would show the new law was "impossibly difficult to determine" and open to different interpretations.
The move comes after the first man to be tried under Scottish anti-hunting laws was cleared of wrongdoing.
In a test case a court ruled that Trevor Adams, 46, from Melrose, was not "hunting", but "searching" for a fox.
What am I supposed to feel about this?
Am I as a socialst and rational being supposed to be appalled at the ruling classes supporting each other to this extent just so they can go their merry way, as they have done for centuries? Carrying on above the law, as they always do?
Am I as a socialist and supporter of protests supposed to be cheerful that groups of people are banding together to break the law...or at the least bend it? People Standing up against the oppressive regime which is trying to force its will upon them?
Am I as a socialist and human rights supporter supposed to be depressed that 250.000 people (the country side alliance) will band together to demonstrate for their right to chase and kill wild animals, yet it's next to impossible to get more than 100 people together to oppress child abuse, wars or poverty?
It's really got me puzzled.
The storming of parliment
Remember the storming of the British parliment a month or so ago by the pro-hunting lobby?
Have you really heard anything about it since?
Imagine, if you will, if that had been 3 moslims storming parliment...
I mean, look at the 'anti-terrorist laws' which have already been put in place in Britain...and nothing has happened yet!
Okay, they are anti-terrorist laws, but like in the 80's it just seemed to be Irish people who were affected by them, in the 00's of nowadays it seems to be moslims...or people who look like they could be moslims.
Imagine, on the other hand, if it had been socialists storming parliment! The headlines would have read: "Anti-globalisation movement goes too far." Or if it was a header in the Sun it would have read: "Mandy gets her tits out...again.", but that's not part of the discussion...
The socialist worker's party would be named a terrorist organisation and street fenders, selling the party paper, would be hauled off to Guatanamo bay for 2 years humiliation and a CIA brainwashing treatment: "Blair is good. Blair is good. Blair is good."
So why hasn't the country side alliance become an organisation non-grata?
Maybe it's because people are actually happy that someone's standing up to the government?
Maybe it's due to the fact that most of the landowners and powerful people who are institutionalised as 'the law' are part of the alliance?
Or maybe I'm just paranoid and the truth is that nobody really cares about foxes?
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Originally posted by shavixmirFox hunting is a very emotive subject, there are many attributes directly associated to hunting that drags many peoples opinions on it to the core of how they define themselves and their own interaction with their own environment. It is one of those issues that clearly defines side you take.
From the BBC:
[i]More than 250 hunts will meet legally the day after the ban on hunting with dogs comes into force, campaigners say.
The Countryside Alliance said the 19 February meets would show the new law was "impossibly difficu ...[text shortened]... st paranoid and the truth is that nobody really cares about foxes?
I find issue with the broad term "hunting" in itself, there is a clear distinction between "hunting for pleasure" and "hunting to eat". I have no issue with anyone hunting to eat, thats the way its supposed to work before supermarkets and pre package food got in on the act. But lets face it, even the beggars on the street in the UK can scratch enough to eat, so the rest of us have enough food to go round without killing more animals for food.
I also find issue with the concept that stopping people "hunting" will adversley effect rural economies. No law stops people meeting, riding horses, blowing horns, poor dress, or owning dogs. So people can do all the things they enjoy, the only thing they cannot do is kill innocent animals. Now, if those pesky dogs get out of hand and accidently "kill" a fox, well that is the same as any dog being uncontrollable and attacking my dog in the park - if you can not control the animals you are responsible for the authorities take them off you. Why - you are unfit to look after them. A clear parallel would be Kenya, when they stopped big game hunting did it ruin the economy?
Pest control, OK fine I can live with this if it is the best way. But, people who live in the country have a responsibility to fox proof their land to the best of their ability rather than just killing foxes. Also, if it is pest control you get proffessionals who are quick, efficent, and humane. When I have a problem with rat or insect infestation I do not expect members of the royal family to turn up and muck in, seems with foxes though they do - strange that? Pest control and killing fo r fun are not the same thing. If people are just killing foxes as it is the cheapest option this is clearly not right, I am sorry Mr Farmer, but its the same for everyone, if you can't meet the costs of responsibly managing your business you have to close down and do something else. We do not let chemical companies dump wast in rivers just becuase it is cheap, so why should you kill foxes as it is the cheapest option?
Another problem I have with the hunting / country alliance thing is the pathetic way people throw their toys out of the pram in such a stupid way. I mean really, when these people are 60 years old are they going to look back and tell their grandchildren they marched to London and roited as those nasty people in the city stopped them killing foxes? How would you feel if your grandparents said they roited over say bear bating, dog fighting, or cock fighting? Country people, we are banning you from fox hunting as it is vile and nasty not because we dont like you, don't you get it. are you too absorbed by your own self importance? It about the fox stupid, not you!!!
I think the central argument about fox hunting comes down to a certain section of British society not liking it when the rest of us take exception to their activities. The fact that you have been doing it for hundreds of years is no reason to continue to do it. Past mistakes do not make future behaviour acceptable.
So I say enforce the law and break these people, like any spoilt child they need to be knocked back into line with the rest of us.
Andrew
PS Sorry this is in italics I can find no reason for this to have happened - must be a glitch
Originally posted by latex bishopit is not a glitch. it is shavixmir's fault.
PS Sorry this is in italics I can find no reason for this to have happened - must be a glitch
he used italics, so when you quoted him you caught the first "[ i ]", but then the "text shortened" cut off the second "[ /i ]" and kept everything after it italic.
shavixmir did exactly the same thing you did several weeks ago and i said it was all his fault that he got the italics - so we might as well keep the blame on him. 😀
great post, btw!
in friendship,
prad
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Originally posted by pradtfAs I said its an emotive subject, it even gets me posting in the debates forum :-)
it is not a glitch. it is shavixmir's fault.
he used italics, so when you quoted him you caught the first "[ i ]", but then the "text shortened" cut off the second "[ /i ]" and kept everything after it italic.
shavixmir did exactly the same thing you did several weeks ago and i said it was all his fault that he got the italics - so we might as well keep the blame on him. 😀
great post, btw!
in friendship,
prad
Andrew
Originally posted by shavixmir[/i]
From the BBC:
[i]More than 250 hunts will meet legally the day after the ban on hunting with dogs comes into force, campaigners say.
The Countryside Alliance said the 19 February meets would show the new law was "impossibly difficu ...[text shortened]... st paranoid and the truth is that nobody really cares about foxes?
Hey Shavvy,
I think I get the gist of your lament.
And I respect you for it.
Isn't it amazing that a big issue about "fox killing" isn't anything to do with foxes? But about class and societal structure? About the caste system?
I can't really give an opinion other than to truthfully say that any people who judge character of people based on their accent... has a way to go.
For what it's worth I do admire that you are wise enough to ask the right questions.
Mike