https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-61883529
France's highest administrative court has upheld a ban on full-body "burkini" swimsuits in public pools, rejecting an appeal by the city of Grenoble.
Last month, Grenoble authorised all swimwear, including burkinis, sparking a legal battle with the government.
Burkinis are worn largely by Muslim women as a way of preserving modesty and upholding their faith.
But the court said it could not allow "selective exceptions to the rules to satisfy religious demands".
France has strict laws on which swimming costumes can be worn and the issue of religious expression in public places is divisive.
The ban on burkinis in state-run pools is also advocated for reasons of hygiene. Men are normally obliged to wear tight-fitting swimming trunks - another rule that Grenoble unsuccessfully attempted to overturn by permitting longer swimming shorts.
@vivify saidThe speedos are for hygenic reasons, or so I was once told.
"Men are normally obliged to wear tight-fitting swimming trunks - another rule that Grenoble unsuccessfully attempted to overturn by permitting longer swimming shorts."
So women can't wear what is essentially a wetsuit similar to what surfers wear, but France requires that men show more ball sac.
That being said, I’ve never been told off in France for wearing boxers.
@sonhouse saidNot really. It’s more a pro-secular thing.
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So it's basically an anti-muslim thing?
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So Jews can't wear Yamika's? Or those long threads down their jackets or Mormons caught wearing their long underwear? Force Amish to cut off their beards?
I'm not the slightest bit religious and personally I want freedom FROM religion as opposed to freedom OF religion but it looks like we have to put up with their clothing I would think.
If nuns want to wear wings on their heads to profess their marriage to God or JC or whoever it is they 'marry' I can't stop that, but secretly just giggle.
@shavixmir saidThanks for that info.
The speedos are for hygenic reasons, or so I was once told.
That being said, I’ve never been told off in France for wearing boxers.
Still, if someone wanted to wear a wetsuit like what surfers or divers wear, is that not allowed? Because that's pretty much what burkinis are. I can't see any valid reason to ban those.
The French court's ruling cited separation of church and state (state officials can't wear religious symbols). I get that but what about private citizens? Why should they also be banned from wearing religious items?
@vivify saidNot in a swimming pool.
Thanks for that info.
Still, if someone wanted to wear a wetsuit like what surfers or divers wear, is that not allowed? Because that's pretty much what burkinis are. I can't see any valid reason to ban those.
The French court's ruling cited separation of church and state (state officials can't wear religious symbols). I get that but what about private citizens? Why should they also be banned from wearing religious items?
@sonhouse saidExactly. the fookin' hypocrits.
@shavixmir
So it's basically an anti-muslim thing?
they claim to love multiculturism but only so long as they can control it and change it
@sonhouse saidJeepers. When was the last time you and I agreed on something?? 😵
@shavixmir
So Jews can't wear Yamika's? Or those long threads down their jackets or Mormons caught wearing their long underwear? Force Amish to cut off their beards?
I'm not the slightest bit religious and personally I want freedom FROM religion as opposed to freedom OF religion but it looks like we have to put up with their clothing I would think.
If nuns want to wear wi ...[text shortened]... eir marriage to God or JC or whoever it is they 'marry' I can't stop that, but secretly just giggle.
@vivify - I get that but what about private citizens? Why should they also be banned from wearing religious items?
for sure,
these *citizens* are not state actors, therefor, 'separation of church and state' does not apply.
this whole episode stinks to high heavens. Very disappointed with the French
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I don't care if she wears a burkini in the pool but she better not complain when I get drunk and pay homage to the beer gods by falling into the pool fully clothed and swimming around like an idiot.
My point is you can't allow one group to be fully clothed and swim and then deny the bum who wants to swim with his clothes on.
Why would anyone want to swim in a public pool is beyond me. It's a giant pee container.