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  1. Subscriber FMF
    a.k.a. John W Booth
    17 May '12 00:34 / 1 edit
    Might this mark the end of the times (in France) where capable and well qualified women were systematically overlooked or passed over by traditionally male dominated political culture? Or does it mark this new cabinet down as most likely not comprising completely of the most talented politicians available?
  2. Subscriber Sleepyguy
    Reepy Rastardly Guy
    17 May '12 00:43
    Originally posted by FMF
    Might this mark the end of the times (in France) where capable and well qualified women were systematically overlooked or passed over by traditionally male dominated political culture? Or does it mark this new cabinet down as most likely not comprising completely of the most talented politicians available?
    I'm not sure those are mutually exclusive.
  3. Subscriber FMF
    a.k.a. John W Booth
    17 May '12 00:58
    Originally posted by Sleepyguy
    I'm not sure those are mutually exclusive.
    Fair point. European national/cabinet level politics has seen has seen the appointment of 'groundbreaking' numbers of women by new administrations before only to see them quietly replaced soon after. I wonder if 'Hollande's 50%' can change the assumptions that seem to be in play in most political domains [or in France in particular].
  4. Subscriber Sleepyguy
    Reepy Rastardly Guy
    17 May '12 01:17
    Originally posted by FMF
    Fair point. European national/cabinet level politics has seen has seen the appointment of 'groundbreaking' numbers of women by new administrations before only to see them quietly replaced soon after. I wonder if 'Hollande's 50%' can change the assumptions that seem to be in play in most political domains [or in France in particular].
    Maybe it will be an important symbolic step. It seems it should be the last thing on his mind though. He needs very talented people, in whatever gender he can find them, to help France now.
  5. Subscriber FMF
    a.k.a. John W Booth
    17 May '12 01:51
    Originally posted by Sleepyguy
    Maybe it will be an important symbolic step. It seems it should be the last thing on his mind though. He needs very talented people, in whatever gender he can find them, to help France now.
    Perhaps he can find the talent among those who have been overlooked or passed over during the era where traditionally male dominated political culture failed!
  6. Subscriber Sleepyguy
    Reepy Rastardly Guy
    17 May '12 02:00
    Originally posted by FMF
    Perhaps he can find the talent among those who have been overlooked or passed over during the era where traditionally male dominated political culture failed!
    If he wants to make a big statement on women's equality in the work place, better would be to hire as many qualified women power players as he can find, and never mention any 50% quota. He ought to make it 70%, 80%, whatever, and when someone points it out he should just say they were the most qualified people he could find and really hadn't paid attention to their gender.

    Wouldn't be true, but I think it would make a bigger statement.
  7. Subscriber AThousandYoung
    Poor Filipov :,(
    19 May '12 18:44
    I wonder if they'll all end up menstruating on the same schedule. That happens to ladies who spend a lot of time together.
  8. 20 May '12 00:07
    Originally posted by FMF
    Might this mark the end of the times (in France) where capable and well qualified women were systematically overlooked or passed over by traditionally male dominated political culture? Or does it mark this new cabinet down as most likely not comprising completely of the most talented politicians available?
    It might mean neither. I find it improbably that selecting the best qualified would result in 50/50 representation.
  9. 21 May '12 15:55
    Originally posted by FMF
    Might this mark the end of the times (in France) where capable and well qualified women were systematically overlooked or passed over by traditionally male dominated political culture? Or does it mark this new cabinet down as most likely not comprising completely of the most talented politicians available?
    Or maybe the guy just wants to surround himself with women.
  10. Subscriber AThousandYoung
    Poor Filipov :,(
    21 May '12 16:52
    Originally posted by Kunsoo
    Or maybe the guy just wants to surround himself with women.
    Like Gaddafi and DSK?
  11. Standard member bill718
    Enigma
    21 May '12 20:47
    Originally posted by FMF
    Might this mark the end of the times (in France) where capable and well qualified women were systematically overlooked or passed over by traditionally male dominated political culture? Or does it mark this new cabinet down as most likely not comprising completely of the most talented politicians available?
    Not a bad idea. Women seem like capable managers to me.
  12. 21 May '12 23:06
    Originally posted by AThousandYoung
    Like Gaddafi and DSK?
    And Obama. Apparently it was the women in the cabinet who pushed the policies which led to the Bin Laden killing. Some of the men were advising less aggressive policies.
  13. 21 May '12 23:59
    Originally posted by FMF
    Might this mark the end of the times (in France) where capable and well qualified women were systematically overlooked or passed over by traditionally male dominated political culture? Or does it mark this new cabinet down as most likely not comprising completely of the most talented politicians available?
    Not that it's a reflection on the wisdom of the step, but I do find Hollande's decision peculiarly un-French. This is, after all, a country that refuses even to collect details of ethnicity and religion in its census.
  14. Standard member shavixmir
    Guppy poo
    23 May '12 14:32
    Addicted to love: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XcATvu5f9vE&ob=av2e

    That's what a female French cabinet run by a male reminds me off.

    That and a lot of hairy armpits.
  15. 25 May '12 01:54
    Originally posted by shavixmir
    Addicted to love: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XcATvu5f9vE&ob=av2e

    That's what a female French cabinet run by a male reminds me off.

    That and a lot of hairy armpits.
    Thanks for a trip down memory lane. I don't know where you get hairly armpits out of a hot five girl band.

    Palmer was a one hit wonder wasn't he, or did he follow that up with anything?