Freedom vs Independence

Originally posted by @tom-wolsey
"Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime."

This proverb demonstrates the difference between the Liberal and Conservative political platforms.

Education isn't very important on the right-wing agenda is it?

Originally posted by @tom-wolsey
"Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime."

This proverb demonstrates the difference between the Liberal and Conservative political platforms.

yes, real life can always be reduced to simple and sometimes inane platitudes.

Adjusted to the situation in the US, progressives would say "Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day, today, because he is hungry and you have a truck of fish rotting away with no benefit. THEN, when he is somewhat less hungry, teach him how to fish"

Democrats would say "Give a man 5 % of a fish because he is hungry, beg republicans to sponsor programs to teach him how to fish, promise them you would only give the man 4% of fish. Tell the man that now is not the time to receive 10% of the fish, that Bernie Sanders proposal that he receive 100% of a fish and fishing training is pie in the sky, organize a few committees and beg the republicans some more, agree to only give the man 3% of the fish, go to some corporate donor parties, and delay the issue indefinitely.
The republicans go on TV and say democrats are unwilling to compromise and agree on giving 2% of the fish, that the man is lazy anyway, that giving him 3% of the fish would ruin the economy. Democrats give in and agree on 1%"

Republicans would say "Giving man a fish is communism, teaching him how to fish is communism, we don't have the money, now we need to stimulate the fishing industry with tax cuts so that fish would magically rain from the sky on everyone. For free. For ever"

Originally posted by @kazetnagorra
In some wealthy societies it is much more likely that someone born in a relatively poorer household will be financially successful later in life, compared to the U.S., so there are more men who are taught to fish, so to speak. Should the U.S. adopt policies that lead to this outcome - financial success being dependent on skill, talent and work rather than luck - in your estimation?

Conservatives in our society have convinced many that it's acceptable to slash workers' wages in order to increase corporate profits. They neglect the fact that employees are also consumers.

At some point, the turnip crumbles into dust.

Originally posted by @tom-wolsey
"Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime."

This proverb demonstrates the difference between the Liberal and Conservative political platforms.

Nonsense!

Teach a man centralized redistribution of fish for a day and you will teach him to do it indefinitely throughout eternity for the entire world

Those that fish on their own without redistribution will either be fined heavily or locked up or shot.

Originally posted by @whodey
Nonsense!

Teach a man centralized redistribution of fish for a day and you will teach him to do it indefinitely throughout eternity for the entire world

Those that fish on their own without redistribution will either be fined heavily or locked up or shot.

Haha.
Nice.

However, I'm sure it's: "Give a man a man 2 fish and 5 loaves of bread and he'll feed his extended family... so long as he believes, teach a man to fish and you can shoot him for poaching."

Originally posted by @shavixmir
Haha.
Nice.

However, I'm sure it's: "Give a man a man 2 fish and 5 loaves of bread and he'll feed his extended family... so long as he believes, teach a man to fish and you can shoot him for poaching."

Now that's an interesting take on the "Sermon on the mount".

I suppose Christ was a conservative?

(I know...I know....wrong Forum.)

The point--unsurprisingly missed by those exposed by the proverb--is: The demorats run around offering a fish for a day to people in need. But to eat the next day and the next, the needy will have to vote demorat to keep the fish coming. Conservatives would rather provide someone the opportunity to generate an income and feed themselves, thus diminishing and hopefully eliminating the nanny state-citizen codependency.

Originally posted by @handyandy
Conservatives provide proverbs instead of food?

hows that hand andy?

Originally posted by @tom-wolsey
"Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime."

This proverb demonstrates the difference between the Liberal and Conservative political platforms.

I doubt it, given conservatives are notoriously anti-education.

Originally posted by @tom-wolsey
The point--unsurprisingly missed by those exposed by the proverb--is: The demorats run around offering a fish for a day to people in need. But to eat the next day and the next, the needy will have to vote demorat to keep the fish coming. Conservatives would rather provide someone the opportunity to generate an income and feed themselves, thus diminishing and hopefully eliminating the nanny state-citizen codependency.

In some wealthy societies it is much more likely that someone born in a relatively poorer household will be financially successful later in life, compared to the U.S., so there are more men who are taught to fish, so to speak. Should the U.S. adopt policies that lead to this outcome - financial success being dependent on skill, talent and work rather than luck - in your estimation?

Conservatives: give us all your fish and we promise more will trickle down.

Originally posted by @vivify
I doubt it, given conservatives are notoriously anti-education.

Or, interpreted in real, factual terms: Conservatives are anti-sending kids as a captive audience to institutions that charge about a quarter million to provide a forgettable "education" and exist in large part to mold them into liberal minions. Conservatives also have a problem with many teachers unions which protect incompetent teachers from being appropriate fired, and exist mostly as a political arm of the Democrat party. There are also some (Scott Walker comes to mind) within the Conservative group that see no point in spending large sums of money on an Education Department which doesn't benefit students much. But not all Conservatives go that far.

Originally posted by @vivify
Conservatives: give us all your fish and we promise more will trickle down.

Liberals: give us all your money and after we're done lining our pockets and spending it on unrelated special interests--if anything trickles down, we will give it to your city and state governments who will line their pockets, then use what's leftover to serve those whom it was intended.

Originally posted by @tom-wolsey
The point--unsurprisingly missed by those exposed by the proverb--is: The demorats run around offering a fish for a day to people in need. But to eat the next day and the next, the needy will have to vote demorat to keep the fish coming. Conservatives would rather provide someone the opportunity to generate an income and feed themselves, thus diminishing and hopefully eliminating the nanny state-citizen codependency.

It's not democrats giving food away. The US government in cahoots with some companies providing food to needy countries are getting totally screwed because of the donations they think are helping those poor countries. It is in fact doing the opposite, destroying local agriculture by having free or very cheap food imported and the locals cannot sell their own for any kind of profit so are driven out of business.

This all happens because of the lobbying of companies who want to sell these products after the people in need die or leave.

It's a very cynical system, this giving away of vast food quantities without thinking through the consequences on the local economies.

Originally posted by @wolfe63
Now that's an interesting take on the "Sermon on the mount".

I suppose Christ was a conservative?

(I know...I know....wrong Forum.)

Was there ever any doubt?


No.