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  1. 25 Jun '16 14:46
    http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/from-brexit-to-texit-renewed-calls-for-texas-secession-after-eu-vote/ar-AAhBJsh?ocid=spartandhp

    I'm sure we all have heard of those in Texas who wish to form their own country, knowing that their ambitions are a pipe dream. However, I view their ambitions for self rule about the same as I view Brexit.

    In the end, all resistance is futile. The globalist corporate elites will crush them all into one world order of some kind. And if they have to, they will destroy the world economy to do it.

    Just remember, everyone wants their freedom, so there must arise a convincing argument to surrender it.

    In the words of Friedrich Hayek, "Emergencies have always been the pretext on which the safeguards of individual liberty have eroded."

    So as I read article after article of dire warnings of impending global economic doom, I can only assume that it will all come to fruition regarding Brexit. They will eventually bow their knee to the EU once more, or some other larger world body like the IMF.
  2. Standard member vivify
    rain
    25 Jun '16 15:00
    Texas can't sustain itself without the rest of the U.S. Even if Texas were to officially leave, they'd still be just as dependent on the U.S. (for resources, protection, etc.) as every other state. These stupid Texans don't understand that their lifestyle is only possible because they're part of a system.
  3. 25 Jun '16 15:05 / 5 edits
    Originally posted by vivify
    Texas can't sustain itself without the rest of the U.S. Even if Texas were to officially leave, they'd still be just as dependent on the U.S. (for resources, protection, etc.) as every other state. These stupid Texans don't understand that their lifestyle is only possible because they're part of a system.
    There would definitely be a price to pay for striking out on their own economically.

    It reminds me of the American Revolution. The reason the Boston Tea Party occurred was not because Tea prices went up, instead they actually dropped. The real issue was the corporate monopoly of tea by England by their tool corporate cronies known as the East Indies corporation.

    So the colonists opted to actually pay more for tea so that they could be free.

    They then had to give up any notion of England ever coming to their aid economically or militarily.

    So yes, there is a big price to pay for your freedom.

    As we saw with Scotland, the Scots preferred to live cushy lives under the banner of England. In fact, most probably do, at least for now.
  4. Standard member DeepThought
    Losing the Thread
    25 Jun '16 17:28
    Originally posted by whodey
    They then had to give up any notion of England ever coming to their aid economically or militarily.
    No, I don't think that that is correct. They could make the calculation that Britain would regard it as being in its interests to defend them against, for example, the Spanish. Losing a colony to its own independence is not the same as the colony being annexed by another Imperial power.
  5. Standard member vivify
    rain
    25 Jun '16 17:46
    Originally posted by whodey
    There would definitely be a price to pay for striking out on their own economically.

    It reminds me of the American Revolution. The reason the Boston Tea Party occurred was not because Tea prices went up, instead they actually dropped. The real issue was the corporate monopoly of tea by England by their tool corporate cronies known as the East Indies cor ...[text shortened]... d to live cushy lives under the banner of England. In fact, most probably do, at least for now.
    The colonies had already been independent of England. They didn't need England for support of any kind.

    Texas isn't independent in any way shape or form. Any prosperity the state has is a direct result of being part of the U.S., unlike with the colonies back then.
  6. 25 Jun '16 17:49
    Originally posted by whodey
    There would definitely be a price to pay for striking out on their own economically.

    It reminds me of the American Revolution. The reason the Boston Tea Party occurred was not because Tea prices went up, instead they actually dropped. The real issue was the corporate monopoly of tea by England by their tool corporate cronies known as the East Indies cor ...[text shortened]... d to live cushy lives under the banner of England. In fact, most probably do, at least for now.
    "The real issue was the corporate monopoly of tea by England by their tool corporate chronies known as the East Indies corporation."

    the american revolution started because of tea. hilariously ignorant as ever.

    "so yes, there is a big price to pay for your freedom."
    no more tea
  7. Subscriber no1marauder
    It's Nice to Be Nice
    25 Jun '16 21:03
    Originally posted by whodey
    http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/from-brexit-to-texit-renewed-calls-for-texas-secession-after-eu-vote/ar-AAhBJsh?ocid=spartandhp

    I'm sure we all have heard of those in Texas who wish to form their own country, knowing that their ambitions are a pipe dream. However, I view their ambitions for self rule about the same as I view Brexit.

    In the end, all re ...[text shortened]... ill eventually bow their knee to the EU once more, or some other larger world body like the IMF.
    The Texas State government as a bulwark against global economic elites is one of the most unintentional funny things I have heard on this forum.
  8. Subscriber Suzianne
    Misfit Queen
    25 Jun '16 21:24
    Originally posted by vivify
    The colonies had already been independent of England. They didn't need England for support of any kind.

    Texas isn't independent in any way shape or form. Any prosperity the state has is a direct result of being part of the U.S., unlike with the colonies back then.
    A) Texas isn't independent in any way shape or form.
    B) Any prosperity the state has is a direct result of being part of the U.S.


    A) Texas does have its own power grid. I was surprised to hear that we have three power grids in the US: East, West and Texas.

    B) This I agree with, although 'prosperity' is only one characteristic of an independent nation, it is by no means 'required'. Just look around the world to see this is true.

    My concern is that there are virtually no liberals in Texas, and therefore, any overwhelmingly conservative government is doomed to fail, unless the leaders are okay with paying for their 'success' with the freedom of its citizens. Their education system is pathetic and their infrastructure is crumbling and these are the hallmarks of a failed leadership.

    I know about 'failed leadership', I live in Arizona. The citizens of this state just voted in May (by a narrow margin - dark money won) to let the state government sell off state land to the highest bidder to pay for what should be paid for in higher taxes. Conservative leadership here is okay with giving away the birthright of our next generation so that they don't have to raise taxes on the wealthy and corporations for a decade or so. This is failed leadership.
  9. Subscriber no1marauder
    It's Nice to Be Nice
    25 Jun '16 21:27
    Originally posted by Suzianne
    [b]A) Texas isn't independent in any way shape or form.
    B) Any prosperity the state has is a direct result of being part of the U.S.


    A) Texas does have its own power grid. I was surprised to hear that we have three power grids in the US: East, West and Texas.

    B) This I agree with, although 'prosperity' is only one characteristic of an independe ...[text shortened]... e to raise taxes on the wealthy and corporations for a decade or so. This is failed leadership.[/b]
    If the People vote to sell off natural resources instead of raising taxes, the consequences are on them. Blaming it on "failed leadership" is a cop-out suggesting that the human race is largely composed of mindless sheep waiting to be told what to do (i.e. Loki was right in the Avengers).
  10. Subscriber Suzianne
    Misfit Queen
    25 Jun '16 21:44
    Originally posted by no1marauder
    If the People vote to sell off natural resources instead of raising taxes, the consequences are on them. Blaming it on "failed leadership" is a cop-out suggesting that the human race is largely composed of mindless sheep waiting to be told what to do (i.e. Loki was right in the Avengers).
    'Mindless sheep'. So you've lived in Arizona and seen it for yourself, too? This is the state of Barry Goldwater. The mindset is still popular.

    Dark money has made the people think Prop. 123 was a great idea, through massive dollars spent to advertise it as "the only way to provide dollars for education without raising taxes". Arizonans mostly think raising taxes should be avoided at all costs, including giving all their money to the corporations. Some kind of 'flat tax' system must be on the horizon. Our Governor and our Attorney General are the top two office holders in the state almost exclusively funded by dark money (from outside the state, I might add).
  11. Subscriber no1marauder
    It's Nice to Be Nice
    25 Jun '16 21:49
    Originally posted by Suzianne
    'Mindless sheep'. So you've lived in Arizona and seen it for yourself, too? This is the state of Barry Goldwater. The mindset is still popular.

    Dark money has made the people think Prop. 123 was a great idea, through massive dollars spent to advertise it as "the only way to provide dollars for education without raising taxes". Arizonans mostly think ...[text shortened]... ders in the state almost exclusively funded by dark money (from outside the state, I might add).
    "dark money" doesn't make people think anything.
  12. 28 Jun '16 23:42
    Originally posted by whodey
    http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/from-brexit-to-texit-renewed-calls-for-texas-secession-after-eu-vote/ar-AAhBJsh?ocid=spartandhp

    I'm sure we all have heard of those in Texas who wish to form their own country, knowing that their ambitions are a pipe dream. However, I view their ambitions for self rule about the same as I view Brexit.

    In the end, all re ...[text shortened]... ill eventually bow their knee to the EU once more, or some other larger world body like the IMF.
    The United States has a military power they can use. The EU wants one.
  13. Subscriber Suzianne
    Misfit Queen
    29 Jun '16 01:43
    Originally posted by no1marauder
    "dark money" doesn't make people think anything.
    You can't get the 'mindless sheep' to think either, but you can sure get them to vote for you.
  14. 29 Jun '16 02:45
    Originally posted by Suzianne to Vivify
    [b]A) Texas isn't independent in any way shape or form.
    B) Any prosperity the state has is a direct result of being part of the U.S.


    A) Texas does have its own power grid. I was surprised to hear that we have three power grids in the US: East, West and Texas.

    B) This I agree with, although 'prosperity' is only one characteristic of an ...[text shortened]... e to raise taxes on the wealthy and corporations for a decade or so. This is failed leadership.[/b]
    Caissad4 (who lives in Texas) has written that if Texas were to secede from the USA,
    then she and many others would support the secession of South Texas from Texas.
  15. Standard member DeepThought
    Losing the Thread
    29 Jun '16 04:13
    Originally posted by Suzianne
    'Mindless sheep'. So you've lived in Arizona and seen it for yourself, too? This is the state of Barry Goldwater. The mindset is still popular.

    Dark money has made the people think Prop. 123 was a great idea, through massive dollars spent to advertise it as "the only way to provide dollars for education without raising taxes". Arizonans mostly think ...[text shortened]... ders in the state almost exclusively funded by dark money (from outside the state, I might add).
    What the **** is dark money? Is it made out of dark matter?