Originally posted by no1marauderPerhaps nothing has happened that you did bot foresee.
It's been passed in the past but never got a hearing in the Senate. It doesn't meet the requirements of a bill that could be passed under the reconciliation process and I cannot see 8 Democrats voting for cloture.
Originally posted by FreakyKBHThis is a joke, right?
"...our beloved country."
Well, you jacked it up nearly beyond recognition.
Move aside, move out, move forward, move where ever, and let people who love the principles undergirding freedom try to clean up your mess.
You should tell us it's a joke, because it's not very funny.
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Originally posted by no1marauderCongress is also busy decreasing the possibility of a Democrat filibuster by rewriting rules so that the laws they want to pass only need a simple majority rather than 60 needed to win, since the Republicans number 52. Ditto similar language inside those laws stating that this bill is immune to filibuster. Read the bills closely. Almost every bill put forth by Ryan and company this year includes this language. They are moving to be able to pass laws without any Democrats voting for it and to stop filibusters before they start.
It seems quite unlikely to get past a Democratic filibuster in the Senate.
And I wonder if Trump wouldn't veto it if it did; as much as Congressional Republicans might love it, the bill is a significant pare back of Executive power.
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Originally posted by EladarBe careful what you wish for. You might wake up one day to a chemical plant next door to you, with zero protection from toxic waste.
Agencies enacting regulations is unconstitutional. The Constitution does not give Congress the right to delegate its responsibily to create laws and regs.
I am hoping for change. Looks like we might get it.
Originally posted by SuzianneI don't see how that can work, once in effect a bill is an act and filibuster is irrelevant, before it is in effect it can declare itself to be immune to filibuster but not with any legal force.
Congress is also busy decreasing the possibility of a Democrat filibuster by rewriting rules so that the laws they want to pass only need a simple majority rather than 60 needed to win, since the Republicans number 52. Ditto similar language inside those laws stating that this bill is immune to filibuster. Read the bills closely. Almost every bill put fo ...[text shortened]... able to pass laws without any Democrats voting for it and to stop filibusters before they start.
Originally posted by EladarIt was a domino effect, clearly.
As for the great depression, is suzy saying that it was localized to the US?
Or is Suzy saying that Republican policy is what caused the great depression in countries like Germany and Canada?
But yes, it was unrestricted, incredibly bad policy-making by Hoover's administration, given a green light by a Republican-controlled Congress, removing regulations, mainly in the banking industry, that caused the Depression a mere 7 months after they took office in 1929.
Originally posted by no1marauderAs I said before, new rules are being written now so that some bills only require a simple majority, or 51 votes, rather than 60. Since the Republicans control 52 seats, this gives them completely free REIN.
It's been passed in the past but never got a hearing in the Senate. It doesn't meet the requirements of a bill that could be passed under the reconciliation process and I cannot see 8 Democrats voting for cloture.
"Thank you, sir! May I have another?!", indeed.
Originally posted by EladarNo. I live in fear of the Congress of the US, in their unrelenting greed for money and power, completely and absolutely abrogating the Will of the People of the US.
You live in fear of freedom.
That you conflate this with some imagined "fear of freedom" is inexcusably laughable. What I fear is not freedom, but the complete and utter lack of it.
Originally posted by SuzianneSo Congress is going to poison the environment? Thought a private company made up of private citizens was going to do it.
No. I live in fear of the Congress of the US, in their unrelenting greed for money and power, completely and absolutely abrogating the Will of the People of the US.
That you conflate this with some imagined "fear of freedom" is inexcusably laughable. What I fear is not freedom, but the complete and utter lack of it.
Originally posted by SuzianneI really don't know what you are talking about; Ryan is House Speaker and no bill language he endorses is binding on the Senate as far as its procedures go. The articles I find are pretty clear that the REINS Act will need Democratic support in the Senate:
Congress is also busy decreasing the possibility of a Democrat filibuster by rewriting rules so that the laws they want to pass only need a simple majority rather than 60 needed to win, since the Republicans number 52. Ditto similar language inside those laws stating that this bill is immune to filibuster. Read the bills closely. Almost every bill put fo ...[text shortened]... able to pass laws without any Democrats voting for it and to stop filibusters before they start.
While the Senate's powerful Democratic minority is the major roadblock for the bill — the REINS Act would require 60 votes to pass the chamber, and while Republicans have a 52-seat majority, Democrats effectively have 48 votes
https://pjmedia.com/trending/2017/01/06/house-passes-reins-act-to-curb-job-crushing-regulations/