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  1. SubscriberSuzianne
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    11 Jan '17 07:102 edits
    Aaaaannnnd, it starts. Full control of Federal government in the hands of Republicans is not a good thing. When Republicans gain control of a state's legislature and governorship, they often act to cement their continued hegemony over that state's governmental affairs. This is where the current use of gerrymandering is rife. Well, the US House has taken another "cheap shot" attack on the citizens of the US to make it difficult, if not impossible, for Federal agencies to do their job of protecting the People.

    Let's take a look at the REINS Act, passed by the House last week, right under our collective noses. We didn't hear a single peep about this from the mainstream media. I'm pretty sure this is a preview of what we can expect from these supposed "representatives" for the next four years.

    http://www.ecowatch.com/reins-act-2187697823.html

    And a complete text of the bill can be seen here:
    https://www.congress.gov/bill/113th-congress/senate-bill/15/text
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    11 Jan '17 20:431 edit
    Originally posted by Suzianne
    Aaaaannnnd, it starts. Full control of Federal government in the hands of Republicans is not a good thing. When Republicans gain control of a state's legislature and governorship, they often act to cement their continued hegemony over that state's governmental affairs. This is where the current use of gerrymandering is rife. Well, the US House has taken ...[text shortened]... of the bill can be seen here:
    https://www.congress.gov/bill/113th-congress/senate-bill/15/text
    I agree. It's a pity America has to keep re learning this lesson. One would have thought 8 years of George W Bush and the great recession would have been enough, but no...it seems they want more.😞
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    11 Jan '17 22:19
    Originally posted by mchill
    I agree. It's a pity America has to keep re learning this lesson. One would have thought 8 years of George W Bush and the great recession would have been enough, but no...it seems they want more.😞
    Gee, if we do one thing and one thing only in the next eight years, I'd like it to be this:
    scale back to, say... half the bombs dropped.
    If Trump can drop half of the bombs O'Bammy dropped in one year over the course of eight years, he will have "only" dropped 15,000 total bombs.
    Maybe at the end of it he can award himself the Nobel Peace prize, too.
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    11 Jan '17 22:33
    Originally posted by Suzianne
    Aaaaannnnd, it starts. Full control of Federal government in the hands of Republicans is not a good thing. When Republicans gain control of a state's legislature and governorship, they often act to cement their continued hegemony over that state's governmental affairs. This is where the current use of gerrymandering is rife. Well, the US House has taken ...[text shortened]... of the bill can be seen here:
    https://www.congress.gov/bill/113th-congress/senate-bill/15/text
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    The 115th Congress has been in session for less than a week. This is the tip of the iceberg, kids....
    The federal week in review:
    1. Trump fires all Ambassadors and Special Envoys, ordering them out by inauguration day.
    2. House brings back the Holman rule allowing them to reduce an individual civil service, SES positions, or political appointee's salary to $1, effectively firing them by amendment to any piece of legislation. We now know why they wanted names and positions of people in Energy and State.
    3. Senate schedules 6 simultaneous hearings on cabinet nominees and triple-books those hearings with Trump's first press conference in months and an ACA budget vote, effectively preventing any concentrated coverage or protest.
    4. House GOP expressly forbids the Congressional Budget Office from reporting or tracking ANY costs related to the repeal of the ACA.
    5. Trump continues to throw the intelligence community under the bus to protect Putin, despite the growing mountain of evidence that the Russians deliberately interfered in our election.
    6. Trump breaks a central campaign promise to make Mexico pay for the wall by asking Congress (in other words, us, the taxpayers) to pay for it.
    7. Trump threatens Toyota over a new plant that was never coming to the US nor will take jobs out of the US.
    8. House passes the REINS act, giving them veto power over any rules enacted by any federal agency or department--for example, FDA or EPA bans a drug or pesticide, Congress can overrule based on lobbyists not science. Don't like that endangered species designation, Congress kills it.
    We - progressive, liberal, libertarian and conservative - need to all wake up to what is actually happening to our beloved country.
    #UnitedWeStand #TreasonousTrump #DonTheCon
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    11 Jan '17 22:49
    Originally posted by JS357
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    The 115th Congress has been in session for less than a week. This is the tip of the iceberg, kids....
    The federal week in review:
    1. Trump fires all Ambassadors and Special Envoys, ordering them out by inauguration day.
    2. House brings back the Holman rule allowing them to reduce an individual civil service, SES positions, or political appointee's ...[text shortened]... o what is actually happening to our beloved country.
    #UnitedWeStand #TreasonousTrump #DonTheCon
    "...our beloved country."
    Well, you jacked it up nearly beyond recognition.
    Move aside, move out, move forward, move where ever, and let people who love the principles undergirding freedom try to clean up your mess.
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    11 Jan '17 22:53
    Originally posted by Suzianne
    Aaaaannnnd, it starts. Full control of Federal government in the hands of Republicans is not a good thing. When Republicans gain control of a state's legislature and governorship, they often act to cement their continued hegemony over that state's governmental affairs. This is where the current use of gerrymandering is rife. Well, the US House has taken ...[text shortened]... of the bill can be seen here:
    https://www.congress.gov/bill/113th-congress/senate-bill/15/text
    It seems quite unlikely to get past a Democratic filibuster in the Senate.

    And I wonder if Trump wouldn't veto it if it did; as much as Congressional Republicans might love it, the bill is a significant pare back of Executive power.
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    12 Jan '17 02:07
    Originally posted by JS357
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    The 115th Congress has been in session for less than a week. This is the tip of the iceberg, kids....
    The federal week in review:
    1. Trump fires all Ambassadors and Special Envoys, ordering them out by inauguration day.
    2. House brings back the Holman rule allowing them to reduce an individual civil service, SES positions, or political appointee's ...[text shortened]... o what is actually happening to our beloved country.
    #UnitedWeStand #TreasonousTrump #DonTheCon
    Agencies enacting regulations is unconstitutional. The Constitution does not give Congress the right to delegate its responsibily to create laws and regs.

    I am hoping for change. Looks like we might get it.
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    12 Jan '17 04:15
    Originally posted by Eladar
    Agencies enacting regulations is unconstitutional. The Constitution does not give Congress the right to delegate its responsibily to create laws and regs.

    I am hoping for change. Looks like we might get it.
    You might want to take a gander at the Necessary and Proper Clause.

    There is no textual restriction on Congress doing what they please with their plenary powers.
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    12 Jan '17 04:40
    Originally posted by no1marauder
    You might want to take a gander at the Necessary and Proper Clause.

    There is no textual restriction on Congress doing what they please with their plenary powers.
    You argue eye of the beholder lol.

    Nothin wrong with congress overriding unelected agencies.

    Hope and Change is on the way
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    12 Jan '17 04:481 edit
    Originally posted by Eladar
    You argue eye of the beholder lol.

    Nothin wrong with congress overriding unelected agencies.

    Hope and Change is on the way
    Congress overriding them is fine.

    Making the regulations presumptively invalid unless approved by both Houses is probably unconstitutional. See INS v. Chadha.
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    12 Jan '17 04:58
    Originally posted by no1marauder
    Congress overriding them is fine.

    Making the regulations presumptively invalid unless approved by both Houses is probably unconstitutional. See INS v. Chadha.
    If congress can delegate, it can take the power back.
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    12 Jan '17 04:59
    Originally posted by Eladar
    If congress can delegate, it can take the power back.
    Congress doing its job, now that would be change!
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    12 Jan '17 05:13
    As for the great depression, is suzy saying that it was localized to the US?

    Or is Suzy saying that Republican policy is what caused the great depression in countries like Germany and Canada?
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    12 Jan '17 05:18
    Originally posted by no1marauder
    It seems quite unlikely to get past a Democratic filibuster in the Senate.

    And I wonder if Trump wouldn't veto it if it did; as much as Congressional Republicans might love it, the bill is a significant pare back of Executive power.
    It depends on which horses are being traded.
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    12 Jan '17 05:231 edit
    Originally posted by Eladar
    If congress can delegate, it can take the power back.
    Yes, it can. But this legislation doesn't do so.

    Congress could abolish any and all regulatory agency by a bill passing both houses. It, cannot however, veto regulations by the action or inaction of one House only which is what this bill attempts to do.
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