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@AverageJoe1 saidI'm saying there isn't any evidence it "wiped out" anything. And if you had listened to the Omani ambassador who we tasked with mediating talks between the US and Iran, he was confident that a deal could have been reached on the nuclear issues if Trump hadn't let Israel convince him to jump the gun.
I say not
funny, you keep throwing out all these various aspersions, which, in effect every one being to imply that tere should not have been this attack on Iran. It wiped out their nuclear enrichment program, but you are saying we should not have wiped out their nuclear enrichment program.
? Am I right??
I know you won't bother to look at links, but here's another possible consequence Trump didn't think of: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/austin-bar-mass-shooter-possibly-motivated-by-iran-attacks-quran-found-in-car-as-fbi-eyes-terrorism-after-2-killed-14-injured/ar-AA1XjsST?ocid=hpmsn&cvid=a163b57c1b2f43bfee9a94f7c1eeb8e1&cvpid=1d3fc138ca14471bd5e415fed894a23a&ei=13
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@no1marauder saidWell yes, this has been noted that Oman and some our people were optimistic, that means it was possible. He never said it was certain. Iran wanted to keep uranium enrichment rights AND demanded relief from sanctions!
I'm saying there isn't any evidence it "wiped out" anything. And if you had listened to the Omani ambassador who we tasked with mediating talks between the US and Iran, he was confident that a deal could have been reached on the nuclear issues if Trump hadn't let Israel convince him to jump the gun.
I know you won't bother to look at links, but here's another possible ...[text shortened]... 1XjsST?ocid=hpmsn&cvid=a163b57c1b2f43bfee9a94f7c1eeb8e1&cvpid=1d3fc138ca14471bd5e415fed894a23a&ei=13
YOu and I know that that was far from happening, what a wast of negotiations. Rught, Marauder. Do you not agree that Trump would never agree to that, having said for years 'no nuclear whatever'? You would have agreedd, I would have thumbed my nose at Iran, like Trump did. He was looking at 100% mistrust, for lack of a better word. Oman was simply optimistic, as he wanted a gold star for being a winner, but he was far from it, and only reflected his perspective, naturally. Not much reality there.......Iran was saying no way. Trump said...""Have it your way. Guess we will have to attack you." Warned them.
Just because these feeble talks were going on does not mean Trump had to do one thing. I am glad he did not. You wanted Trump to capitulate? How so.?
Are you saying that the 'diplomacy' would have succeeded if Trump did not pull the trigger??? Negotiating with religious fanatic madmen?
And,,,,,personally? I find democratic presidents weak, and we cannot have this problem still seething when Commander in Chief Kamala takes office.....now, can we. Jimmy Carter trembling all over again. What was I saying yesterday about men?
@AverageJoe1 saidYou mean he lies all the time. He campaigned on not starting wars overseas.
I just wrote this to Suzianne, it applies here as well. Think I will add it elsewhere.
""All of you are hanging your. hats today on Trump changing his mind. Happens al of the time. Changing your mind when facts change is called 'governing', not flip-flopping. Rigid ideology which all of you seem to promote, is no virtue, you know that but write crap anyway.
He adapts ...[text shortened]... uation. Flexible leadership. You seem to want consistency for consistency's sake. Give me a break.""
He lied to you.
@AverageJoe1 saidYour idea, and apparently Trump's, of negotiation are to make demands and if the other side doesn't acquiesce to them to immediately move to extreme violence.
Well yes, this has been noted that Oman and some our people were optimistic, that means it was possible. He never said it was certain. Iran wanted to keep uranium enrichment rights AND demanded relief from sanctions!
YOu and I know that that was far from happening, what a wast of negotiations. Rught, Marauder. Do you not agree that Trump would never agree to that ...[text shortened]... ce.....now, can we. Jimmy Carter trembling all over again. What was I saying yesterday about men?
@Metal-Brain saidHe said he 'would not start wars overseas????? I must have been playing golf that day.
You mean he lies all the time. He campaigned on not starting wars overseas.
He lied to you.
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@no1marauder saidNo, why say that. 18 words of your sentence encompass the whole idea of Trump.?
Your idea, and apparently Trump's, of negotiation are to make demands and if the other side doesn't acquiesce to them to immediately move to extreme violence.
Broaden your scope, please, and square what you say with the many attempts of his 'ideas' for them to lay down their terror and start anew. He gave them a LOT of ideas for their people.
I might say that his 'demands' on behalf of 8 billion people, was to stop with enriching uranium, which our govt (not you and sonhouse, et al) had determined would reek the 'extreme violence' which you note above.
Hey, who would you rather have nukes? Lichensteiin or Iran? What would be the difference, Marauder. Madmen?
Your allegiances are very curious.
Hey, check out in Dems Do Not Stand Up thread, the Kmax creature writes some really thoughtful stuff. Your name gets mentioned in my response, hope it is OK. only stated a fact to make a point.
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You mean give him time to step on his dick again? He cannot even kill the right people. I guess he will have to make himself dictator of Iran and run it himself.
https://ronpaulinstitute.org/whoops-trump-says-the-initial-attack-on-iran-killed-the-people-he-wanted-to-put-in-charge-of-iran/
@Metal-Brain saidDid Truman kill (Marauder likes to use the word murder) all the wrong people?
@AverageJoe1
You mean give him time to step on his dick again? He cannot even kill the right people. I guess he will have to make himself dictator of Iran and run it himself.
https://ronpaulinstitute.org/whoops-trump-says-the-initial-attack-on-iran-killed-the-people-he-wanted-to-put-in-charge-of-iran/
@Metal-Brain saidFirst Venezuela, now Iran.
@AverageJoe1
You mean give him time to step on his dick again? He cannot even kill the right people. I guess he will have to make himself dictator of Iran and run it himself.
https://ronpaulinstitute.org/whoops-trump-says-the-initial-attack-on-iran-killed-the-people-he-wanted-to-put-in-charge-of-iran/
It's about the freaking oil, man. Again.