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  1. 01 Dec '10 18:54
    http://mediamatters.org/research/201011300002
    "Glenn Beck distorted a Congressional Budget Office cost estimate to claim that food-safety legislation would mean "higher taxes for you," baselessly claimed the bill would drive up food costs, and underplayed concerns about food safety. Beck demonized the legislation as a George Soros-backed effort to "control you."

    http://www.glennbeck.com/content/articles/article/198/48629/
    Here we see the illustrious lunatic siding with the notorious EU-hater Nigel Farage.
  2. 01 Dec '10 19:32
    if you add regulations you add cost...seems pretty obvious that food prices will increase because of this. might be a case of the blind squirrel finding a nut but sounds like Glenn is right here
  3. Standard member bill718
    Enigma
    01 Dec '10 19:51
    Originally posted by generalissimo
    http://mediamatters.org/research/201011300002
    "Glenn Beck distorted a Congressional Budget Office cost estimate to claim that food-safety legislation would mean "higher taxes for you," baselessly claimed the bill would drive up food costs, and underplayed concerns about food safety. Beck demonized the legislation as a George Soros-backed effort to "co ...[text shortened]... 8629/
    Here we see the illustrious lunatic siding with the notorious EU-hater Nigel Farage.
    Mr. Beck is an advocate of smaller government, which can be a good thing. I however would be willing to pay a few pennies more for enforcment of strict food safety rules. Free enterprise cannot always be trusted to police themselves.
  4. 01 Dec '10 20:21
    Last night on the NBC news they were doing a small piece on this story...they said each year here in the U.S. 5000 people die from contaminated food. I find that so hard to believe. When there is one or two people getting salminela or something like that the national news is on it like no ones bussiness....could you imagine them not screaming if there were 5000 people dieing!
  5. 01 Dec '10 20:31
    Originally posted by generalissimo
    http://mediamatters.org/research/201011300002
    "Glenn Beck distorted a Congressional Budget Office cost estimate to claim that food-safety legislation would mean "higher taxes for you," baselessly claimed the bill would drive up food costs, and underplayed concerns about food safety. Beck demonized the legislation as a George Soros-backed effort to "co ...[text shortened]... 8629/
    Here we see the illustrious lunatic siding with the notorious EU-hater Nigel Farage.
    When are you going to understand mediamatters is not a reliable source but is a left wing mouth piece for George Soros and the rest of the "progressive radicals" on the extreme left in the United States?
  6. 01 Dec '10 21:16
    Originally posted by highdraw
    if you add regulations you add cost...seems pretty obvious that food prices will increase because of this. might be a case of the blind squirrel finding a nut but sounds like Glenn is right here
    How much would a computer cost if there was no regulation at all?

    Answer: no one would be able to produce them.
  7. 01 Dec '10 21:39
    Originally posted by utherpendragon
    When are you going to understand mediamatters is not a reliable source but is a left wing mouth piece for George Soros and the rest of the "progressive radicals" on the extreme left in the United States?
    Do you have any comment on the content or are you just going to make claims about the messenger?

    Remind me to bring up the bias issue whenever you post another wnd.com trash column.
  8. 01 Dec '10 22:10
    Originally posted by PsychoPawn
    Do you have any comment on the content or are you just going to make claims about the messenger?

    Remind me to bring up the bias issue whenever you post another wnd.com trash column.
    In this case the "messenger" is very relevant seeing that mediamatters is part of a boycott against Glen Beck. As well as their benefactor George Soros who has publically said he is giving mediamatters 1 million dollars to stop Fox News.

    Any and all info coming from them,the Huffington Post and others concerning allegations against Glen Beck and or Fox News should be viewed as highly suspect.
  9. Standard member bill718
    Enigma
    01 Dec '10 22:18
    Originally posted by utherpendragon
    When are you going to understand mediamatters is not a reliable source but is a left wing mouth piece for George Soros and the rest of the "progressive radicals" on the extreme left in the United States?
    What can I say uther?? It's a world gone mad! MAD I SAY! These are the same type of left wing loonies that rammed through socialist laws about child labor, and enviornmental protection. Who cares if our food is safe?? It's every sucker for himself! I say we hang em high!!!
  10. 01 Dec '10 22:28
    Originally posted by bill718
    What can I say uther?? It's a world gone mad! MAD I SAY! These are the same type of left wing loonies that rammed through socialist laws about child labor, and enviornmental protection. Who cares if our food is safe?? It's every sucker for himself! I say we hang em high!!!
    your food is not safe?
  11. 01 Dec '10 22:28 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by utherpendragon
    In this case the "messenger" is very relevant seeing that mediamatters is part of a boycott against Glen Beck. As well as their benefactor George Soros who has publically said he is giving mediamatters 1 million dollars to stop Fox News.

    Any and all info coming from them,the Huffington Post and others concerning allegations against Glen Beck and or Fox News should be viewed as highly suspect.
    I get it, when you post something biased the bias of the messenger is irrelevant. When it's something you disagree with the messenger becomes relevant.

    As for Soros giving them money, well.. that doesn't actually say anything about the content at all. Does Rupert Murdoch's bias say something about everything coming out of fox news?

    Frankly, I haven't read a single thing in context that shows that Soros is such a huge horrible boogey man that the right makes him out to be.

    As for stopping fox news, I have no real problem with that.

    If the info coming from them is so suspect then it should be easy for you to prove the content wrong without having to attack the messenger, shouldn't it?
  12. 01 Dec '10 22:34 / 2 edits
    Originally posted by PsychoPawn
    I get it, when you post something biased the bias of the messenger is irrelevant. When it's something you disagree with the messenger becomes relevant.

    As for Soros giving them money, well.. that doesn't actually say anything about the content at all. Does Rupert Murdoch's bias say something about everything coming out of fox news?

    Frankly, I haven sy for you to prove the content wrong without having to attack the messenger, shouldn't it?
    mediamatters has launched a website to get Glen Beck off of the air. http://mediamatters.org/action/dropfox/

    This goes beyond being "bias". Here from their site. I am sure you and your pals can go there and jump on the band wagon.

    It's time to drop Fox.
    "I believe no responsible company should advertise on Fox News due to its recent and on-going deplorable conduct."

    Dear Fox Advertiser,

    I agree with Tides Foundation CEO Drummond Pike:

    "Businesses that pay to broadcast commercials on Fox News are subsidizing Glenn Beck's television show by continuing to pump money into the network. It has become clear that the only way to stop supporting Beck is to stop supporting Fox News.

    "I respectfully request that you bring this matter of your company's sponsorship of hate speech leading to violence to the attention of your fellow directors as soon as possible. I believe no responsible company should advertise on Fox News due to its recent and on-going deplorable conduct."

    Signed,


    obviously they are not neutral or even a "little bias" in their reporting on Beck and or Fox
  13. 01 Dec '10 23:08
    Originally posted by utherpendragon
    mediamatters has launched a website to get Glen Beck off of the air. http://mediamatters.org/action/dropfox/

    This goes beyond being "bias". Here from their site. I am sure you and your pals can go there and jump on the band wagon.

    [quote] It's time to drop Fox.
    "I believe no responsible company should advertise on Fox News due to its recent and ...[text shortened]... y they are not neutral or even a "little bias" in their reporting on Beck and or Fox
    obviously they are not neutral or even a "little bias" in their reporting on Beck and or Fox

    Actually you have shown NO evidence of any bias of their reporting on Beck or Fox news. This doesn't prove anything other than they have taken a stand on an opinion about them.

    Why don't you actually put forward an example of their reporting and explain where the bias is?

    I don't claim that you can't suggest that they have a bias, but it's apparent that if Glenn Beck said "The sky is pink with purple polka-dots" and Mediamatters claimed he was lying you would just dismiss it as being a lie since it was from mediamatters.

    Do you dismiss ANYTHING glenn beck says because he has an obvious bias against Obama?

    Do you dismiss anything Hannity says because he has an obvious bias against Obama?
  14. Standard member RevRSleeker
    CerebrallyChallenged
    02 Dec '10 01:30
    You guys need 'a' BBC, one that is answerable not to their owners, and their owners consequent politics, but to the people of the state..
  15. Subscriber no1marauder
    It's Nice to Be Nice
    02 Dec '10 01:49
    Originally posted by highdraw
    Last night on the NBC news they were doing a small piece on this story...they said each year here in the U.S. 5000 people die from contaminated food. I find that so hard to believe. When there is one or two people getting salminela or something like that the national news is on it like no ones bussiness....could you imagine them not screaming if there were 5000 people dieing!
    Let's see: the Center for Disease Control and Prevention estimates that 5,000 Americans die each year from food poisoning. You find that "hard to believe". Should I put greater reliance on experts in the field or the speculations (without any supporting data) of some poster on the internet?

    Tough call.