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  1. 21 Aug '10 18:30
    http://www.glennbeck.com/content/articles/article/198/44513/

    any thoughts?
  2. 21 Aug '10 18:43 / 2 edits
    Originally posted by generalissimo
    http://www.glennbeck.com/content/articles/article/198/44513/

    any thoughts?
    Yes, the only evil the progressives have brought this world is when they sold out to the Bourgeoisie and voted for Obamacare instead of national health care. Mark my words, this government run Obamacare system will fail, not because of government, but because of the evil insurance companies who are allowed to exist. Their very existence is incompatible with our individual freedoms and social justice. So when it fails you know what you must do, you must vote for the nationalization of health care. In fact, I don't know how we have all survived without it till now.
  3. 21 Aug '10 18:54
    Originally posted by whodey
    Yes, the only evil the progressives have brought this world is when they sold out to the Bourgeoisie and voted for Obamacare instead of national health care. Mark my words, this government run Obamacare system will fail, not because of government, but because of the evil insurance companies who are allowed to exist. Their very existence is incompatible with ...[text shortened]... nalization of health care. In fact, I don't know how we have all survived without it till now.
    who are you and what have you done to whodey?

    It is evident now that the individual posting under such pseudonym is a perverse creature whose intention is to attack all that is responsible for the prosperity of western civilization, and to continually pollute this forum with this poisonous rhetoric, which pertains to the most vile aspects of statism.
  4. 21 Aug '10 18:59 / 2 edits
    Originally posted by whodey
    Yes, the only evil the progressives have brought this world is when they sold out to the Bourgeoisie and voted for Obamacare instead of national health care. Mark my words, this government run Obamacare system will fail, not because of government, but because of the evil insurance companies who are allowed to exist. Their very existence is incompatible with ...[text shortened]... nalization of health care. In fact, I don't know how we have all survived without it till now.
    Obama Care doesn't exist. And if any party has sold out to the bourgeosie it is certainly the GOP.

    Otherwise, I agree with your sentiments.
  5. 21 Aug '10 19:52
    Originally posted by badmoon
    Obama Care doesn't exist. And if any party has sold out to the bourgeosie it is certainly the GOP.

    Otherwise, I agree with your sentiments.
    http://www.newsmax.com/InsideCover/Kucinich-healthcare-olbermann-vote/2010/03/09/id/352127

    Here is Dennis the Menace Kucinich as he first correctly assessed Obamacare. "The insurance companies are the problem, and we are giving them a version of a bail out. It will not control premiums, forcing people to buy private health care insurance."

    However, we all know he switched his vote at the last minute after bording Air Force one and conversing with that blue dog Christian Obama with no explanation for his change of heart.
  6. Subscriber no1marauder
    It's Nice to Be Nice
    21 Aug '10 22:43
    Originally posted by whodey
    http://www.newsmax.com/InsideCover/Kucinich-healthcare-olbermann-vote/2010/03/09/id/352127

    Here is Dennis the Menace Kucinich as he first correctly assessed Obamacare. "The insurance companies are the problem, and we are giving them a version of a bail out. It will not control premiums, forcing people to buy private health care insurance."

    However, ...[text shortened]... and conversing with that blue dog Christian Obama with no explanation for his change of heart.
    Good to see that the fake whodey is just as much of a liar as the real one. Kucinich has explained his vote many times; here's an article from Equire where he discusses it at length: http://www.esquire.com/the-side/qa/dennis-kucinich-health-care-bill-032210
  7. 22 Aug '10 01:50 / 5 edits
    Originally posted by no1marauder
    Good to see that the fake whodey is just as much of a liar as the real one. Kucinich has explained his vote many times; here's an article from Equire where he discusses it at length: http://www.esquire.com/the-side/qa/dennis-kucinich-health-care-bill-032210
    Thanks for sharing. Here is Kucinich's explanation.

    "My decision came last Tuesday morning. There is a place where I go in the Capital, just to kind of reflect -- before I have to make very important decisions. It is in the rotunda -- right next to Lincoln's statue. It is just a bench. And I went over there early Tuesday morning about seven in the morning. And I just sat down there in a quiet place and thought about this decision. And that is literally where I made up my mind that, notwithstanding, how much there was riding in the bill I did not like, that I had a higher responsibility to my constituents, to the nation, to my president and his presidency to step forward and say we must pass this bill."


    You know this sound very similar to my experience right before converting to the left. I was walking along in a park where I usually walk around six in the morning. The dew was moist on the grass and the birds where chirping. I leaned over to pet a dog who happend to walk happily by and I sat down under my favorite Oak tree in the park. At that very moment I somehow connected with nature and my inner being. I know it sounds cheesy, but I had the sense that I owed it to my familiy, to my countrymen, to those here at RHP to stand up for what I know is right and stop with all the right winged lies I have constantly made up here at RHP. That is when I decided that I must convert to Marxism.

    The last bit of what Kucinich said gives me the most hope, however. He said, "And we must use this bill as an opening towards a renewed effort for a more comprehensive approach to health care reform."

    I just hope that it does not take them too long to pass the public option. Government run health care is our only hope of collective salvation.

    Edit: Of course it does not help him that he refuses to take back any of the critisims he orignially made about Obamacare. You know, the bit about selling the American people to the insurance companies. Yep, just watch premiums skyrocket with people being required to buy health insurance and watch the single payer system ride in to save the day I suppose.
  8. Subscriber no1marauder
    It's Nice to Be Nice
    22 Aug '10 06:22
    Originally posted by whodey
    Thanks for sharing. Here is Kucinich's explanation.

    "My decision came last Tuesday morning. There is a place where I go in the Capital, just to kind of reflect -- before I have to make very important decisions. It is in the rotunda -- right next to Lincoln's statue. It is just a bench. And I went over there early Tuesday morning about seven in the mor ...[text shortened]... buy health insurance and watch the single payer system ride in to save the day I suppose.
    An admission that you lied about Kucinich giving "no explanation" for his change of vote would have been nice.

    Health insurance premiums have already "skyrocketed" almost doubling since 2000. That figure and other gory details about the rising cost of health care is here: http://www.americanprogress.org/issues/2009/01/health_since_1994.html

    We know as an almost certainty that costs would have continued to rise for those covered while millions more would have lost coverage in the years ahead without health care reform. In the end, Dennis decided that this flawed bill was better than doing nothing; partially on the merits of the bill, partially for political reasons (failure to pass some reform would have been a disaster for Obama as it was for Clinton in 1994). Some provisions were added which will allow States to more effectively regulate insurance premium increases; whether that will be sufficient is hard to say but it's better than nothing which is what is in place now.

    I agree with Dennis both that the bill passed was far from optimal and with his decision to vote for it anyway under the circumstances. He has advanced a perfectly reasonable explanation for his vote many times while at the same time making it clear he favors single payer. So your claims were false (as usual).
  9. Subscriber FMF
    a.k.a. John W Booth
    22 Aug '10 06:31
    Originally posted by whodey
    we all know [Kucinich ] switched his vote at the last minute [...] with no explanation for his change of heart.
    Yes. The "with no explanation" claim did strike a false note and is all the more curious after you then went and cut & pasted his explanation. So when you said he voted the way he did "with no explanation" were you just making it up?
  10. 22 Aug '10 13:59
    Originally posted by FMF
    [b]Yes. The "with no explanation" claim did strike a false note and is all the more curious after you then went and cut & pasted his explanation. So when you said he voted the way he did "with no explanation" were you just making it up?
    I pasted his explanation. Now everyone can read it and assess for themselves if it was a valid explanation. As for myself, "saving the Obama Presidency" is not a valid explanation. He made it clear that his previous critiques about out of control insurance premiums were not withdrawn, yet he then expects us to swallow the notion that it was "good" for the country?

    The bottom line is that Dennis succumbed to politics rather than doing what he felt was the right thing. It's all about saving the blue dog conservative Obama because he is a member of his own party. No worries though, soon we will have national health care once this horrible little peice of legislation fails and our socialist utopia will be that much closer!!
  11. Subscriber FMF
    a.k.a. John W Booth
    22 Aug '10 14:12
    Originally posted by whodey
    I pasted his explanation. Now everyone can read it and assess for themselves if it was a valid explanation.
    You said he had "no explanation". You should just apologize, whodey, when you post these kinds of things. Just apologize and move on.
  12. 22 Aug '10 14:15
    Originally posted by FMF
    You said he had "no explanation". You should just apologize, whodey, when you post these kinds of things. Just apologize and move on.
    But both you and Marauder think that a national health care system is better yet you both sit here and defend a man who has no explanation for selling the American people into the pocket books of the Bourgeoisie other than to say that he wishes to save the Obama Presidency?

    I offer no apology, but perhaps you two might think about giving one.
  13. Subscriber FMF
    a.k.a. John W Booth
    22 Aug '10 14:17
    Originally posted by whodey
    But both you and Marauder think that a national health care system is better yet you both sit here and defend a man who has no explanation for selling the American people into the pocket books of the Bourgeoisie other than to say that he wishes to save the Obama Presidency? I offer no apology, but perhaps you two might think about giving one.
    I'm sorry, whodey.
  14. 22 Aug '10 14:18
    Originally posted by FMF
    I'm sorry, whodey.


    Ok, now its Marauders turn. I will not sit here and wait for the sun to freeze over.
  15. Subscriber no1marauder
    It's Nice to Be Nice
    22 Aug '10 14:50
    Originally posted by whodey
    But both you and Marauder think that a national health care system is better yet you both sit here and defend a man who has no explanation for selling the American people into the pocket books of the Bourgeoisie other than to say that he wishes to save the Obama Presidency?

    I offer no apology, but perhaps you two might think about giving one.
    You are either very misinformed or deliberately disingenuous. Progressives by and large do not support a "national health care system" if you mean a NHS like the UK; they support a single payer system.

    Of course, you offer no apology for lying; you do it continually on this board. I hardly feel it necessary to apologize for agreeing with Kucinich that passing this flawed reform was better than doing nothing and continuing the disastrous policies and results in American health care i.e. sharply rising costs, tens of millions uninsured, working class people bankrupted by medical bills etc. etc. etc.