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@contenchess saidAfraid......''to point the finger at the real problems
@jimm619
If all of the united states had zero pollution it wouldn't even help.
Go yell at China, India and that region.
You white liberals are pathetic.
Too scared to point the finger at the real problems because you're terrified to be called a racist 😄
Watch this...
China caused covid.
China and India and that region causes the most pollution by far. A ...[text shortened]... ost triple the rest of the world.
See Jim? It's not that hard.
Quit being an anti white coward 🙄
because you're terrified to be called a racist............''
No, I'm not afraid, the real problem is small minded,
ignorant people who are so convinced of their righteousness
that they cannot see the truth. Would you believe it if I told you
that TRUMP won the election? Millions did.....Where's the evidence?
Of course, there is none because he didn't win,
but many people chose to believe a draft dodging, tax cheat.
Yes, it's true, ''None are so blind as those that will not see.''
See the truth?............It's not that hard/
Quit being an anti-truth coward 🙄
@eintaluj said20C ?? try 2C I love watching the alarmist ignore facts. Good for giggle. The IPCC Predicts that 166,000 lives are saved every year due to warming, It notes that the Planet is in fact greening and finds little to no evidence of warming causing extreme weather events, of which it finds are not increasing but rather occurring in different locations. In also predicts that Mankind will be 384% better of in 2100. Without warming we would be 400% better of. That is the same report that the alarmist use to claim that the sky is indeed falling.
Thus, I have disputed the section "Myth 5" from Robert M Carter's article shared:
"Myth 5 Warming of more than 20C will have catastrophic effects on ecosystems and mankind alike.
Facts 5 A 20C change would be well within previous natural bounds. Ecosystems have been adapting to such changes since time immemorial. The result is the process that we call evolutio ...[text shortened]... t after the nuclear war.
I do not think that Carter's survival-optimism is scientifically based.
@contenchess saidIf it is difficult to prove then it only confirms the view that it has not been proved.
@EintaluJ
Wuhan lab leak.
Not proven? Well it's kinda hard to prove it when China blocked the world from investigating and they destroyed evidence not to mention some Chinese people themselves said it was a lab leak.
In turn, the US blocked China's demand that the US sportsmen, who participated at Wuhan military Olympic Games, should make public coronavirus tests and that their medical histories should be made public. Trump as the president of the US also classified a lot of information concerning coronavirus. The US has not responded to China's demand that the international investigators should be given access to the Fort Detric bio lab, where there seemed to be a leak in 2019 summer. I 2015, in the scientific journal Nature an article was published claiming that the US and Chinese scientists together have manipulated some bats' coronavirus in the lab in such a way as to make it able to infect and kill humans. Wuhan lab was involved and some lab from the US was involved.
You are not debating here - what you are doing is propaganda of a given military block.
My position is that unless some big state confesses what did actually happen, we probably will never know unless some Julian Assange leaks some internal documents.
@EintaluJ
The path and timeline of covid.
https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.cnbc.com/amp/2020/09/28/a-timeline-of-the-insidious-path-the-coronavirus-took-around-the-world-to-kill-more-than-1-million.html
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First cases started in Wuhan and spread toward Europe and USA. The rising numbers of infections were higher in that same order.
If it was started in the USA we would have a completely different path and timeline.
We would also have equal or similar infection numbers as China did but we were behind in the infection rate for a while.
If both countries were involved then both locations would have had epicenters.
The epicenter was Wuhan.
CNBC is anti Trump and it is left wing so the article can't be accused of being biased.
Obviously China won't admit it and their best course is to blame someone else.
@contenchess saidYou are so incompetent that I cannot discuss it with you.
First cases started in Wuhan and spread toward Europe and USA. The rising numbers of infections were higher in that same order.
If it was started in the USA we would have a completely different path and timeline.
We would also have equal or similar infection numbers as China did but we were behind in the infection rate for a while.
The epicenter was Wuhan.
CNBC ...[text shortened]... sed of being biased.
Obviously China won't admit it and their best course is to blame someone else.
There are two main suspects: China and the US.
Your facts (and ignorance of other important facts) are derived from the side of one of the main suspects.
Moreover, your discussion of China was absolutely irrelevant to the present thread, the present thread is devoted to the question of whether the climate is warming and whether humankind is causing it. Finally, you invoked references to coronavirus because of propagandistic reasons. Then, in fact, you argued (without evidence) that China has destroyed the evidence and that THIS proves that China released the coronavirus. Then, you seem to believe in the US mainstream media and you do not know any facts that have been suppressed in the US mainstream media. For example, you do not know that the Wuhan Olympic games started on the same day as Event 201, where the coronavirus pandemic was simulated.
If you are not brainwashed, then perhaps you are a political instructor. But you do not participate in the DEBATE or DISCUSSION.
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@EintaluJ
Please explain Wuhan being the epicenter but not Fort Detrick?
If it was both then both would have had epicenters.
Only one did. Wuhan. Lab leak.
Labs all over the world test dangerous diseases.
Who let covid out? China.
If infected military personnel left the USA to go to Wuhan then both places would have similar infection rates at the same time.
Also, those Americans came back didn't they?
So why wasn't Fort Detrick an epicenter like Wuhan?
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@contenchess saidEverything is explained already.
@EintaluJ
Please explain Wuhan being the epicenter but not Fort Detrick?
If it was both then both would have had epicenters.
Only one did. Wuhan. Lab leak.
Labs all over the world test dangerous diseases.
Who let covid out? China.
If infected military personnel left the USA to go to Wuhan then both places would have similar infection rates at the same ti ...[text shortened]... .
Also, those Americans came back didn't they?
So why wasn't Fort Detrick an epicenter like Wuhan?
Please do not disturb me with your Trump's idiotism that if the EPIDEMIC was first discovered in Wuhan, then surely the VIRUS came from Wuhan or China.
Trump classified information about the coronavirus epidemic in the US military bases. It is difficult to get information if the epidemic was first in some US classified bio-lab (some of them are at the border of China).
In autumn 2019, there was an influenza epidemic in the US, also, in 2019, a lot of strange waping deaths appeared in the US. Dr Fauci has publicly confessed that some early cases of coronavirus infection might have been mistakenly diagnosed as influenza as the coronavirus tests were not used then.
Already before October 2019, in some counties in the US there was some epidemic of an unknown virus that remained undetected (the central authorities never revealed their analyses). Everything is possible.
It is not me but you who have to explain why the use of coronavirus tests was so much delayed in the US.
If the virus was accidentally released in some classified bio lab, it does not follow that there was an epidemic there about which the newspapers wrote. It has happened before that such accidents have been localized and the information suppressed.
If the known epidemic started in Wuhan, it does not follow that the virus was released from the Wuhan bio lab. 10 000 sportsmen participated Wuhan Olympic games at that time.
If you say that the Chinese destroyed the evidence, then why you do not say that the US destroyed the evidence?
Besides, from your argument of geographical closeness (epidemic was in Wuhan, therefore, the virus came from Wuhan bio lab), it follows that Skripals in Salisbury were poisoned with the chemical weapon Novichok that originated not from Russia but from the Porton Down military laboratory very close to Salisbury (prime minister Johnson has admitted that in Portow Down lab, the Novichock examples were stored).
Your reasoning is not objective, it is politically moulded and biased.
But the issue of China and coronavirus you introduced does not belong to the present thread.
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@EintaluJ
Wuhan Lab testing coronavirus.
Wuhan becomes the epicenter.
China's lack of transparency.
Maybe if that lab wasn't there you would convince me but that connection was not a coincidence.
@contenchess saidObviously we have an impact.
How did humans cause multiple ice ages and warming periods?
I think the planet has its own cycle.
Obviously we have an impact but even if we didn't have an impact the planet would still go through those temperature cycles that it always has.
Correct.
So anyone who says climate change doesn’t have a human element to it is obviously talking out their arse.
It’s really not rocket science.
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@shavixmir saidWe are not the catalyst though.
Obviously we have an impact.
Correct.
So anyone who says climate change doesn’t have a human element to it is obviously talking out their arse.
It’s really not rocket science.
The earth has had very hot periods and ice ages that covered half the planet.
They will happen again.
@contenchess saidWhat does extra CO2 do?
We are not the catalyst though.
The earth has had very hot periods and ice ages that covered half the planet.
They will happen again.
Simply put: the more CO2 in the air, the less heat can escape from the planet.
Does industry and 6 billion extra people create more CO2?
Yes. Yes they do.
Ergo, even though the planet has natural cycles, this one has a very major cause: humans.
We create industry + 6 billion extra people’s worth of CO2. And that warms the Earth.
Now, as the Earth warms 2 major things happen:
- sea levels rise (which, besides the obvious disadvantages to anyone not living on a boat, will probably divert the warm water streams, causing major shifts in climate).
- sea water gets warmer (which means more evaporation which means larger and more violent storms).
Now, personally, I don’t give a damn. Ironically though, the US will need a damn lot of dams, but that’s not my problem.
Why don’t I care? Excitement. I’m looking forward to a bit of an environmental apocalypse.
In Europe we’ll manage. There’s major investment in water-management techniques and we’re well equipped for major seasonal upsettings. And when the going gets rough, we invest in ever newer ways of solving the problems.
Many countries don’t or can’t. But, hey, maybe Africa will get the temperate climate. Roll of the dice.
But the US? It doesn’t invest. It builds its army and its space force (probably to stop the aliens AJ is always on about). But your infrastructure is severely outdated, and you’re all whining about the investments needed for it. And that’s just to bring it up to date, not even thinking about the future.
Very, very short-sighted.
Take California. Water supplies go to… avocados… 70+ gallons of water needed per pound of the stuff. And california’s going to be nothing more than a desert soon…
Or take the recent floodings down South. Do you reckon they’re going to get worse the coming years? Or do you seriously think the worst has passed?
As the sea heats and rises the US is going to lose a whole lot of coastline (well, technically, the coastline is going to move land inwards). How are you preparing? This is going to happen within a generation.
Ohhhhh… I get all wet and fuzzy just thinking about it! Wooo hooooo