09 Apr 04
Originally posted by flexmoreThere is too many problems that have knock on effects to other problems in the world.
noone talks of global warming,
is it because noone believes it?
or noone is worried?
or people feel helpless to stop the inevitable?
do you simply blame others?
i understand what you are saying....but most people don't know of the other problems that the world faces either.
We should be by records and scientific evidence,be in an ice age now due to us passing through the ice age cycle.However, the global warming from fossil fuels is stopping this from coming into practise. Sea's may be rising now ....but an ice age last many decades,and we are just at the beginning of the cycle. By the time that we run out of fossile fuels we should still be in the ice age cycle and the caps will freeze again.
As for the fact that global warming effects seasons....global warming is not the major thing effecting them.The earth is always changing and climate that were once deserts(like britain) are now far from.
Though global warming is a problem it is not as huge of a problem as people make out.....i think however it should be reduced by using fossil fuels in moderation....as that is a huge problem when they run out.
Regards
Zoe
10 Apr 04
Originally posted by flexmoreI think partly there's a feeling of impotence - what difference can a single person's actions have among so many? And partly the reality of global warming is too horrible for most of us to contemplate, so we're happy to cling to the comfort provided by those who choose to deny its existence.
noone talks of global warming,
is it because noone believes it?
or noone is worried?
or people feel helpless to stop the inevitable?
do you simply blame others?
It's depressing, but nothing will really be done until global warming becomes a political issue, which won't happen until it begins to have a noticable and destructive effect on our lives. In other words, we have to wait until it's too late before doing anything about it.
Rich.
10 Apr 04
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Originally posted by richhoeyI sympathize with your sentiment, but disagree that we cannot do anything.
I think partly there's a feeling of impotence - what difference can a single person's actions have among so many? And partly the reality of global warming is too horrible for most of us to contemplate, so we're happy to cling to the com ...[text shortened]... wait until it's too late before doing anything about it.
Rich.
Political willingness has a lot to do with votes.
Ecological awareness is still very young. The reports of the Club of Rome were the first serious international warnings from the scientific world. The picture they showed us was baffling and urged us for fast changes in our behaviour. We came halfway with it, but processes stagnated. Why? Many reasons. I just mention two, that I think are relevant here.
The predictions were too somber. Our ecology didn't collapse in the time span they predicted. Partly because we did make some changes, partly because earth has more elasticity than they expected, partly because the Club of Rome interpreted some statistics wrongly or too pessimistic. The unfortunate outcome of that is that people started to believe, encouraged by unscrupulous multinationals it was all a bit of a hoax. That should be rectified.
I never understood why we didn't establish a UN department for ecology like WHO, FAO etc. that regularly would update the reports of Rome. I think information on world ecology should be internationalized and centralized. Needed measurements should be taken out of the hands of national governments and commercial multinationals.
On these things we can work; we don't have to wait till disaster will take over.
And, of course, you can integrate ecology in your daily life. Your neighbours will certainly notice such a change. Most of us have at least two neighbours. 🙂
Fjord
10 Apr 04
Originally posted by fjordI completely agree - I wasn't suggesting that we shouldn't do anything, just trying to offer an explanation for why we often don't. In my more optimistic moments I think the environmental movement can have a political impact and make a real difference, but at other times I'm not so sure.
I sympathize with your sentiment, but disagree that we cannot do anything.
Political willingness has a lot to do with votes.
Ecological awareness is still very young. The reports of the Club of Rome were the first serious international warnings from the scientific world. The picture they showed us was baffling and urged us for fast changes in our behaviour ...[text shortened]... ours will certainly notice such a change. Most of us have at least two neighbours. 🙂
Fjord
Rich.
10 Apr 04
Originally posted by flexmoreUnfortunately over on this side of the big pond they claim Global Warming is a scientific fallacy.
noone talks of global warming,
is it because noone believes it?
or noone is worried?
or people feel helpless to stop the inevitable?
do you simply blame others?
Of course there are those who believe the Holocaust is a historical fallacy as well.
I sincerely believe that the elimination of oil (or our complete usage of it) will significantly help this endevour. The avancement of hydrogen power, which only gives off water vapor, will allow for our air and environment to clean up. While I may never see the day of clean air (and I'm in my 20's) my hope is that we will run out of oil before we do permanent damage.
13 Apr 04
Originally posted by ianpickeringUnfortunately, global warming may disrupt the gulf stream which is responsible for the temperate climate in the British Isles, France, Belgium, Holland, Norway, etc.
I heard that in 50 years time the climate in England would be like the South of France............................Bring it on !!
Without it our climate will more closely resemble Newfoundland - distintly chilly!
13 Apr 04
Originally posted by flexmoreHave you read anything of Bjorn Lomberg's theories?
noone talks of global warming,
is it because noone believes it?
or noone is worried?
or people feel helpless to stop the inevitable?
do you simply blame others?
Unfortunately most of the websites I found about him were surprisingly hateful pro-environment sites.
He provides food for thought, though.
13 Apr 04
I never really studied the arguments for global warming in any depth. I know the science behing increased CO2 creating a greenhouse effect, but we also know that the worlds temperatures vary vastly. On the larger scale, how large an effect are our actions having on global warming compared to what might be part of the natural cycle. (and not all natural cycles are going to be nice either).
Bear in mind that the enviromental scientist that cries "disaster" loudest gets the biggest research grants, so they are not 100% unbiased.
Anyway, feel free to broadcast this as far as you like, because I have discovered the solution to global warming. Nukes! (I'd like a Nobel prize please😉 ) If you look at the worlds temerature it has been steadily rising for (at least) the past century but there are several downward 'blips'. These coincide with Mt. St. Helens erupting, Hiroshima, Nagosaki etc. When there sian explosion that big a lot of dust gets thrown into the upper levels of our atmosphere and once there it takes years to come down again; the dust blocks out X% of the suns incoming radiation, causing the temperature to fall. So if the world gets too hot all we have to do is drop a few nukes somewhere that no one minds (I'm not thinking of France here, before anyone gets any ideas) and that'll in effect create a mini nuclear winter.
<appause>
Jon
14 Apr 04
Originally posted by purclecowTwo days before christmas, 2012 😉 If any of us are going to see an ice age, it will be than. This is when the poles shift :'(
There is too many problems that have knock on effects to other problems in the world.
i understand what you are saying....but most people don't know of the other problems that the world faces either.
We should be by records and scientific evidence,be in an ice age now due to us passing through the ice age cycle.However, the global warming from fossil fu ...[text shortened]... y using fossil fuels in moderation....as that is a huge problem when they run out.
Regards
Zoe