Originally posted by whodeyI don't know why washing bags reminds you of ethanol
It reminds me of the government push to use ethanol for fuel. It actually does more harm than good to the enviornement in the long run. In addition, if it were not for the government subsidizing these endevours, it would not be cost beneficial. All I can figure is that these politicians are close to brain dead or the big money lobbiests in the ethanol industry had their way with them.
ethanol does more harm than good. Washing bags does not.
Why do you insist on lumping all things green into the same bag and saying they all don't work? What is the source of your aversion to environmentally friendliness??
Some things are good, some things don't work. Grow up and recognize truth when it is staring you in the face.
Originally posted by uzlessHe said that washing bags MAY take more energy than simply throwing them away. I was not attempting to validate the claims, rather, I was just pointing to known energy policies that were counterintuitive to environmentalists that were all done in the name of the environmentalist movement. In short, those in Washington have proven not to be the sharpest tacks at best or at their worst hopelessly corrupt. Therefore, any new Congressional environemntalist polices need to be looked at through such lenses.
I don't know why washing bags reminds you of ethanol
ethanol does more harm than good. Washing bags does not.
Why do you insist on lumping all things green into the same bag and saying they all don't work? What is the source of your aversion to environmentally friendliness??
Some things are good, some things don't work. Grow up and recognize truth when it is staring you in the face.
AS for growing up and facing the truth, it ain't much fun, is it?
Originally posted by whodeysigh.
He said that washing bags MAY take more energy than simply throwing them away. I was not attempting to validate the claims, rather, I was just pointing to known energy policies that were counterintuitive to environmentalists that were all done in the name of the environmentalist movement. In short, those in Washington have proven not to be the sharpest tack ...[text shortened]... ed at through such lenses.
AS for growing up and facing the truth, it ain't much fun, is it?
You did again exactly what I said you always do. Lumper.
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The argument that always gets brought up by conservatives is that conservation should be a "voluntary thing" that government should stay out of. But this leaves the impression that conservatives don't care about the environment.
So my original point is that we should look into ways in which "green goals" could be reached using conservative principles.
Are there ways that the forces of the marketplace work towards producing a wide range of products and services that are good for the environment? Lots of people do care about the environment, so I think there's a definite demand for these things, but the main problem is that there's a lack of information available that would guide consumers and producers towards the "greenest" options. If more of such info existed, it would provide lots of incentives for entrepreneurs to produce all sorts of new ideas and innovations.
This is not to eliminate the traditional "big gummint" approaches. But I want to see conservatives stop moaning about the evils of government and come up with their own ideas - or at least bring something to the table so that the debate isn't limited to what the liberals think.
Originally posted by MelanerpesWell, that is easy. Tax energy use more heavily and the market will automatically produce more energy efficient producs and services.
The argument that always gets brought up by conservatives is that conservation should be a "voluntary thing" that government should stay out of. But this leaves the impression that conservatives don't care about the environment.
So my original point is that we should look into ways in which "green goals" could be reached using conservative principles. ...[text shortened]... something to the table so that the debate isn't limited to what the liberals think.
Originally posted by KazetNagorrayou just lost your conservative audience when you mentioned the word "tax". 😀
Well, that is easy. Tax energy use more heavily and the market will automatically produce more energy efficient producs and services.
actually, I have heard the idea of a gas tax mentioned by a conservative using this argument. (Paul Mulshine of the Star Ledger).
Originally posted by KazetNagorraHave they done so in countries where cap and trade has been implemented? If so, where?
Well, that is easy. Tax energy use more heavily and the market will automatically produce more energy efficient producs and services.
I say we tax law makers personally for every dollar they spend of ours so that they become more efficient with our tax money. How's that sound?
Originally posted by whodeyI believe there is a tax on govenment lies. They will use cap and trade to pay for it.
Have they done so in countries where cap and trade has been implemented? If so, where?
I say we tax law makers personally for every dollar they spend of ours so that they become more efficient with our tax money. How's that sound?