Groundhog day

Stop gerrymandering, idiots. It's hard to underestimate how unpopular this is, unless you're in the political party that benefits (I guess, but even then.... if you feel so strongly that your political party should benefit from gerrymandering then you're an awful human). Which makes this a fundamentally political battle. The courts are so confused, perhaps because they were nominated for lifetime positions without having proper qualifications....

The third full term in thrall to the 6–3 supermajority is now upon us, and it brings yet another crisis of the court’s own making: In last June’s Allen v. Milligan, the court explicitly upheld a lower court ruling ordering that a second [Black majority] district be created. Alabama—led by Republicans in the statehouse—spent the last few months declining the court’s explicit instructions.... Why? Because in his concurrence in Milligan, Justice Brett Kavanaugh, the determinative fifth vote in the case, signaled to the lawmakers that he’d be open to deciding the matter in their favor on a different theory that was neither briefed nor argued: Things might come out differently, he wrote, winkingly, if they came back armed with the argument that “even if Congress in 1982 could constitutionally authorize race-based redistricting” under the Voting Rights Act “for some period of time, the authority to conduct race-based redistricting cannot extend indefinitely into the future.”.... So they refused to follow the directives of the court in the hopes that in this go-round, they win.

Err. Are we serious people here? The dog has caught the car. There's no excuse for reversing legal opinion in less than a year's time based on exactly the same rationale. Conservatives need to figure out what they're for, not just what they're against. Why are they agreeing to hear arguments on the exact same case, argued in a slightly different manner based on court directives, 6 months later? This seems patently absurd. A waste of time and resources.
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2023/09/brett-kavanaugh-supreme-court-whoopsie-groundhog-day.html

@wildgrass

American "conservatives" don't have ideas of their own aside from some vague notions of turning back the clock to the 1950s, but sans the 91% tax rate for those in the top 1% income bracket. It's all about the temper tantrums, and doing whatever it takes to hurt people they believe shouldn't exist, and dismissing inconvenient science as a hoax, and worshiping a bloated orange clown whose qualities match those of a tin-plated banana republic dictator to a degree that defies parody.

Waiting for someone to come on here and defend gerrymandering.

@wildgrass said
Waiting for someone to come on here and defend gerrymandering.

Well, I DO have a question. Was it not created to operate in a representative society? Marauder and his cohorts are for doing away with the Electoral College, which means, for lack of a better term, mob rule. No representatives. That may be an extreme observation, but given that libs are manufacturing at Least one progressive move a day, it stands to reason.

@averagejoe1 said
Well, I DO have a question. Was it not created to operate in a representative society? Marauder and his cohorts are for doing away with the Electoral College, which means, for lack of a better term, mob rule. No representatives. That may be an extreme observation, but given that libs are manufacturing at Least one progressive move a day, it stands to reason.

So France has mob rule? Germany? Japan? Sweden? Canada?

@soothfast said
So France has mob rule? Germany? Japan? Sweden? Canada?

I'm just trying to learn from you fellers. I asked this question on google, and no where did it mention your premise suggesting countries that have mob rule.

Does any country have Mob Rule .

@averagejoe1 said
I'm just trying to learn from you fellers. I asked this question on google, and no where did it mention your premise suggesting countries that have mob rule.

Does any country have Mob Rule .

One person, one vote is not mob rule.

In case you missed it, it is called democracy.

@suzianne said
One person, one vote is not mob rule.

In case you missed it, it is called democracy.

when will you idiots ever learn the US is not a democracy. Democracies have many faults as our founders rightly wanted to avoid. Mob rule being one.

@wildgrass said
Stop gerrymandering, idiots. It's hard to underestimate how unpopular this is, unless you're in the political party that benefits (I guess, but even then.... if you feel so strongly that your political party should benefit from gerrymandering then you're an awful human). Which makes this a fundamentally political battle. The courts are so confused, perhaps because they were ...[text shortened]... ttps://slate.com/news-and-politics/2023/09/brett-kavanaugh-supreme-court-whoopsie-groundhog-day.html

are republicans the only party that does this “gerrymandering” thing?

@mott-the-hoople said
when will you idiots ever learn the US is not a democracy. Democracies have many faults as our founders rightly wanted to avoid. Mob rule being one.

Uh… yeah… the US is a democracy dude.

I don’t know what sort of cave you’re tied up in, but a republic democracy is… uh… a democracy.

@suzianne said
One person, one vote is not mob rule.

In case you missed it, it is called democracy.

It may have even more than just those two names.
But see if you can answer this, maybe with a little help from Sonhouse. You are saying, then, that democracy is ‘ one person, one vote’.
You are then saying that we live in a democracy, which Sonhouse, pounds on all the time.
But Suzianne, follow me here, if we presently do NOT have ‘ one person, one vote’ today, how can you say that we are a democracy.?

@shavixmir said
Uh… yeah… the US is a democracy dude.

I don’t know what sort of cave you’re tied up in, but a republic democracy is… uh… a democracy.

But you see the problem… Susieann says that a democracy is one person, one vote. The USA has the electoral college. Therefore, we do not have one person one vote. Let us let her decide for us all if we are a democracy or not.? I think she is confused and needs to think this through , and give us a good answer.

@shavixmir said
Uh… yeah… the US is a democracy dude.

I don’t know what sort of cave you’re tied up in, but a republic democracy is… uh… a democracy.

no such thing as a “republic democracy”…how ignorant are you?

@averagejoe1 said
But you see the problem… Susieann says that a democracy is one person, one vote. The USA has the electoral college. Therefore, we do not have one person one vote. Let us let her decide for us all if we are a democracy or not.? I think she is confused and needs to think this through , and give us a good answer.

ask her when is the last time she voted for a SCOTUS member

@mott-the-hoople said
ask her when is the last time she voted for a SCOTUS member

When did we stop teaching civics?

"The US is not a democracy" is a Republican talk show talking point, following decades of their leadership after securing a minority of the vote. Multiple presidencies won with far fewer votes. They're smart, for sure, to convince you we are not a democracy, but we are. It's merely a semantic argument.

Whatever you want to call it, democratic republic or democracy, either way, gerrymandering is bad for it.