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    17 Nov '18 12:49
    ...and Michelle loves GWB.

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2018/10/11/michelle-obama-george-w-bush-my-partner-crime/1603296002/

    Partners in crime. Couldn't have said it better myself. They are all criminals. Evil is bipartisan.
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    17 Nov '18 13:57
    What crimes do you imagine Michelle Obama has committed?
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    17 Nov '18 14:11
    @metal-brain said
    ...and Michelle loves GWB.

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2018/10/11/michelle-obama-george-w-bush-my-partner-crime/1603296002/

    Partners in crime. Couldn't have said it better myself. They are all criminals. Evil is bipartisan.
    What exactly makes Michelle Obama evil?
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    17 Nov '18 15:56
    @wolfe63 said
    What exactly makes Michelle Obama evil?
    Condoning her husband's evil. He invaded Libya.
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    17 Nov '18 16:14
    @metal-brain said
    Condoning her husband's evil. He invaded Libya.
    That was a UN-approved, NATO-led operation. You'd have call the whole world "evil" in that case.
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    17 Nov '18 16:38
    @vivify said
    That was a UN-approved, NATO-led operation. You'd have call the whole world "evil" in that case.
    UN approval means nothing. The UN handed it over to NATO and never took responsibility for how NATO conducted the hostile invasion. The Korean war had UN approval too.
    The economic dominance of the USA gets approval out of fear of economic retaliation. Self interest often trumps ethics internationally.
    Do I have to remind you the USA condoned MBS ordering the killing and dismemberment of a journalist? No country UN approved a Libya invasion because of human rights. That is obvious.
    Where is the UN approved plan to topple the Saudi Kingdom with an invasion? Trump would sanction any country that tried and most of congress would condone it.
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    18 Nov '18 19:35
    @metal-brain said
    Condoning her husband's evil. He invaded Libya.
    If you run out of intelligent things to say this early (4th post) in a thread that you started, maybe you shouldn't have started the thread in the first place.

    Just saying.
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    18 Nov '18 20:12
    @metal-brain said
    UN approval means nothing.
    What!
    They didn't OK it with you first?
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    18 Nov '18 22:451 edit
    @metal-brain said
    The economic dominance of the USA gets approval out of fear of economic retaliation. Self interest often trumps ethics internationally.
    This year the UN overwhelmingly voted against the U.S. proposal to name Jerusalem Israel's capital. Later, all but two UN nations condemned the U.S. embargo on Cuba.

    Clearly, you're not correct.
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    18 Nov '18 23:18
    @wolfe63 said
    What exactly makes Michelle Obama evil?
    Maybe praising men who pretty much everyone knew was evil.

    YouTube

    They joked about Harvey abusing women years prior all out in the open and on TV.

    Everyone knew
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    @vivify said
    This year the UN overwhelmingly voted against the U.S. proposal to name Jerusalem Israel's capital. Later, all but two UN nations condemned the U.S. embargo on Cuba.

    Clearly, you're not correct.
    Did those votes change any of that? Nope. The US doesn't solicit votes it doesn't need. They don't want it to be obvious.

    I was talking about war. In this case a civil war.
    Libya did not invade another country. There was no justification for invading Libya. Are you in favor of invading Saudi Arabia for human rights reasons?

    Here is an excerpt from the link below:

    It also comes amid increasingly threatening noises from the US towards undecided countries on the Security Council who have been warned of the unpleasant economic consequences of standing up to the US.

    Here is another:

    "The disclosure comes at a time when diplomats from the countries have been complaining about the outright 'hostility' of US tactics in recent days to persuade then to fall in line, including threats to economic and aid packages."

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2003/mar/02/usa.iraq

    Read about the US surveillance of UN delegates in New York as well.

    Clearly, you're not correct.
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    19 Nov '18 03:25
    @mghrn55 said
    If you run out of intelligent things to say this early (4th post) in a thread that you started, maybe you shouldn't have started the thread in the first place.

    Just saying.
    Invading countries is not evil? The allies should have let the Nazis keep Poland then.
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    19 Nov '18 03:30
    @wolfgang59 said
    What!
    They didn't OK it with you first?
    It would not matter if the US didn't get UN approval. They just want it if they can get it to try and convince people it is a just war. The Iraq invasion didn't get UN approval and Bush invaded anyway.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2004/sep/16/iraq.iraq
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    @metal-brain said
    It also comes amid increasingly threatening noises from the US towards undecided countries on the Security Council who have been warned of the unpleasant economic consequences of standing up to the US.

    "The disclosure comes at a time when diplomats from the countries have been complaining about the outright 'hostility' of US tactics in recent days to persuade then to fall in line, including threats to economic and aid packages."
    Trump did the same thing, threatening countries who didn't vote the he wanted on Israel:

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/dec/20/donald-trump-threat-cut-aid-un-jerusalem-vote

    Donald Trump has threatened to withhold “billions” of dollars of US aid from countries which vote in favour of a United Nations resolution rejecting the US president’s recognition of Jerusalem as the capital of Israel.

    Guess what? The UN STILL voted overwhelmingly against the U.S.

    More proof you're flat out wrong.
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    19 Nov '18 04:321 edit
    @vivify said
    Trump did the same thing, threatening countries who didn't vote the he wanted on Israel:

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/dec/20/donald-trump-threat-cut-aid-un-jerusalem-vote

    [quote]Donald Trump has threatened to withhold “billions” of dollars of US aid from countries which vote in favour of a United Nations resolution rejecting the US president’s recognition of ...[text shortened]... Guess what? The UN STILL voted overwhelmingly against the U.S.

    More proof you're flat out wrong.
    I never said the US was always successful when threatening countries. Despite Bush's best efforts, he was unable to get UN approval for the invasion of Iraq.

    "Donald Trump has threatened to withhold “billions” of dollars of US aid from countries which vote in favour of a United Nations resolution rejecting the US president’s recognition of Jerusalem as the capital of Israel."

    That just helps prove my point. Economic threats, just as I said. UN votes are not always honest votes and that supports my claim UN approval means nothing.

    You are flat out wrong.
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