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25 Jun 08
25 Jun 08
Originally posted by AThousandYoungWell, it's not easy to rule an occupied state.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080625/ap_on_re_mi_ea/israel_palestinians
The democratically elected Palestinian government refuses to crack down on thugs attacking a neighboring country from within it's borders after agreeing to a cease fire. Some government.
25 Jun 08
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Originally posted by FabianFnasEven when the occupiers are willing to cooperate on this issue?
Well, it's not easy to rule an occupied state.
The Palestinians wanted Hamas to be in control. Hamas is not in control. Did Palestine just want a figurehead? I don't get it. Do they want to be an independent nation or not? If so, they need to accept their responsibilities.
25 Jun 08
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Originally posted by FabianFnasThe issue I refer to is the one where Palestinians are breaking the truce their elected government negotiated and need to be brought in line with national policy for national security reasons.
Since when? Isn't the settlers is still there?
Just because you have zillions of illegal immigrants doesn't mean you just give up. I'm in Los Angeles. We have lots of illegal immigrants but nobody dares fire missiles at San Diego from TJ. The Mexicans wouldn't stand for it. They know what that sort of thing leads to and it's bad for everyone involved.
EDIT - Actually the correct analogy would be Americans shelling Tijuana, but that's not going to happen. Mexico has TJ under control.
25 Jun 08
Originally posted by der schwarze RitterWhich one are you talking about? Israel has tried for decades. And they're about to succed. Palestine is torn apart. Geographically *and* politically. The Palestinian leaders cannot freely go from West Bank to Gaza and back.
I guess the moral of the story is that it just doesn't pay to be dedicated to destroying a neighboring state?
25 Jun 08
Originally posted by AThousandYoungThe people think they need people like Hamas, as long they are occupied. Hamas cannot exist without the occupation. Stop the occupation and Palestine has a good chance to grow a healthy state.
The issue I refer to is the one where Palestinians are breaking the truce their elected government negotiated and need to be brought in line with national policy for national security reasons.
25 Jun 08
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Originally posted by FabianFnasSo I should be firing missiles at Mexico then, is that right?
The people think they need people like Hamas, as long they are occupied. Hamas cannot exist without the occupation. Stop the occupation and Palestine has a good chance to grow a healthy state.
Or they should be firing them at me? I'm not sure.
Either way it's not a good idea.
Who decides when "the occupation" is done? Hamas seems to believe Israel is "occupied Palestinian land".
25 Jun 08
Originally posted by AThousandYoungWhat has Mexico to do with the situation in the Middle East? I don't get it? Do you really have those problems at your place? But why don't you start a new thred and give us the background of it? Then we can discuss your problem with Mexico in particular and leave other terrorist states out of this.
So I should be firing missiles at Mexico then, is that right?
Or they should be firing them at me? I'm not sure.
Either way it's not a good idea.
Who decides when "the occupation" is done? Hamas seems to believe Israel is "occupied Palestinian land".
Who decides when an occupation is illegal in the first place? Is it Israel? Is it Palestine? Or is it UN?
25 Jun 08
Originally posted by FabianFnasMexico and the US fought over the spot of land I'm on now. The US won, so Mexicans could and often do see us as "occupiers of Mexican soil."
What has Mexico to do with the situation in the Middle East? I don't get it? Do you really have those problems at your place? But why don't you start a new thred and give us the background of it? Then we can discuss your problem with Mexico in particular and leave other terrorist states out of this.
Who decides when an occupation is illegal in the first place? Is it Israel? Is it Palestine? Or is it UN?
Nowadays there are large influxes of illegal Mexican immigrants who come here to what is now US soil and settle here. Thus Americans can see them as "occupiers of American soil" especially when they start with the organized crime and drive-bys and the like. Thus we have a situation similar in many ways with the one over there but nobody's firing explosives across the border.
"The occupation" never ends.
25 Jun 08
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Originally posted by FabianFnasEach of those entities may declare an occupation illegal or not, as each has it's own set of laws. The "ending" of the occupation I refer to is the same one you refer to - the "ending" that leads to no more rocket firing across borders. Who can possibly declare such an "ending" such that the rocket attacks stop? Palestine can declare a cease fire; you see what good that did. None. I doubt the UN or Israel have more influence over that issue than the Palenstian government.
What has Mexico to do with the situation in the Middle East? I don't get it? Do you really have those problems at your place? But why don't you start a new thred and give us the background of it? Then we can discuss your problem with Mexico in particular and leave other terrorist states out of this.
Who decides when an occupation is illegal in the first place? Is it Israel? Is it Palestine? Or is it UN?
The "illegal immigrants" comment referred to illegal by Palestine's laws if that was your question.
25 Jun 08
Originally posted by FabianFnasYou know that I had to turn up in this thread at some point! 😉
The people think they need people like Hamas, as long they are occupied. Hamas cannot exist without the occupation. Stop the occupation and Palestine has a good chance to grow a healthy state.
Yes, Hamas is democratically elected, or as much as possible in an occupied state. I see no reason that the Palestinians would prefer the PA, and with it Fatah, because they are provisionalist corrupt puppet governments.
PLO's awesome though.
25 Jun 08
Originally posted by AThousandYoungEvery member states in UN is to obay the declarations from UN. Both Palestine and Israel is a mbmer of UN. Therefore, if Israel and Palestine is not aggreed upon if one is occupied by the other, then UN decides. And have done so. Palestine is unlawful occupied by Israel.
Each of those entities may declare an occupation illegal or not, as each has it's own set of laws. The "ending" of the occupation I refer to is the same one you refer to - the "ending" that leads to no more rocket firing across borders. Who can possibly declare such an "ending" such that the rocket attacks stop? Palestine can declare a cease fire; y ...[text shortened]... immigrants" comment referred to illegal by Palestine's laws if that was your question.
Stop the occupation and Israel has a better chance to be respected by its neigbouring nations. And there is no need for Hamas anymore.
Is this really so hard to understand? Noone likes the big mean guy. He can ask "Why?" and he will get the answer "You are mean." He stopped to be mean and after a while he started to get friends. Simple as that.
25 Jun 08
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Originally posted by FabianFnasOr he stopped being mean and one of his former victims put a knife in his back and took his place.
Every member states in UN is to obay the declarations from UN. Both Palestine and Israel is a mbmer of UN. Therefore, if Israel and Palestine is not aggreed upon if one is occupied by the other, then UN decides. And have done so. Palestine is unlawful occupied by Israel.
Stop the occupation and Israel has a better chance to be respected by its neigbour re mean." He stopped to be mean and after a while he started to get friends. Simple as that.
Does Palestine always obey UN mandates? I'd be surprised if they did. They don't even obey their own elected government.
Did the UN Security Council authorize the use of force against Israel?