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Today is the day Tenzin Gyatso the spiritual leader and incarnation of the previous Dalai Lama turns 71. We should celebrate that they managed to locate the sea of wisdom once again and that he's reached such an admirable age.

Everyday there is joy somewhere in the world. Good idea this, Scottish. 😉

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6 July, 1887 - David Kalakaua, monarch of the Kingdom of Hawaii, is forced at gunpoint, at the hands of Americans, to sign the Bayonet Constitution giving Americans more power in Hawaii while stripping Hawaiian citizens of their rights.

6 July is also 50 cent's birthday.

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Originally posted by Bosse de Nage
6 July, 1887 - David Kalakaua, monarch of the Kingdom of Hawaii, is forced at gunpoint, at the hands of Americans, to sign the Bayonet Constitution giving Americans more power in Hawaii while stripping Hawaiian citizens of their rights.
Not exactly the kind of thing you'd celebrate, eh? 😠

1885 - French chemist Louis Pasteur administers his first successful treatment of an anti-rabies vaccine.

Now, that's more like it. 😏

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Originally posted by Bosse de Nage
6 July, 1887 - David Kalakaua, monarch of the Kingdom of Hawaii, is forced at gunpoint, at the hands of Americans, to sign the Bayonet Constitution giving Americans more power in Hawaii while stripping Hawaiian citizens of their rights.

6 July is also 50 cent's birthday.
Turns out to be quite a day for the GOP. George Dubbya the 43rd prez was born on this day in 1946. This is the same day that in 1854 the Republican Party was formed and a little known fact only subtly alluded to, but a person rumoured to be the first female president of America, Nancy Reagan was also born on this day in 1921.

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Originally posted by Bosse de Nage
6 July, 1887 - David Kalakaua, monarch of the Kingdom of Hawaii, is forced at gunpoint, at the hands of Americans, to sign the Bayonet Constitution giving Americans more power in Hawaii while stripping Hawaiian citizens of their rights.

6 July is also 50 cent's birthday.
And the residents of Hawaii have thanked us for that ever since that day.

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Originally posted by slimjim
And the residents of Hawaii have thanked us for that ever since that day.
The sugar merchants who called in the Marines to organise the coup sure did ( http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/viewArticle.asp?articleID=223).

"In his message to Congress in December 1893, President Cleveland reported fully and accurately on the illegal acts of the conspirators. He described the event “as an act of war, committed with the participation of a diplomatic representative of the United States and without the authority of Congress.” He acknowledged that by such acts the government of a peaceful and friendly people was overthrown. He further concluded that a “substantial wrong has thus been done which a due regard for our national character as well as the rights of the injured people requires that we should endeavor to repair.” (http://www.northwesthawaiitimes.com/onipaa.htm).

But apparently Hawai'i has an independence movement! Beware the rise of aloha-fascism...

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Originally posted by Bosse de Nage

But apparently Hawai'i has an independence movement! Beware the rise of aloha-fascism...[/b]
LOL...so did Puerto Rico, but the majority of citizens just couldn't let go of the "teat" of the "land of the big PX"....besides, if they want independence, they would be a third-world country in a matter of years...

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Originally posted by chancremechanic
LOL...so did Puerto Rico, but the majority of citizens just couldn't let go of the "teat" of the "land of the big PX"....besides, if they want independence, they would be a third-world country in a matter of years...
Your pusher / junkie metaphor is spot on.

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Originally posted by chancremechanic
LOL...so did Puerto Rico, but the majority of citizens just couldn't let go of the "teat" of the "land of the big PX"....besides, if they want independence, they would be a third-world country in a matter of years...
I bet Japan would annex them in a heartbeat.

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Originally posted by Bosse de Nage
The sugar merchants who called in the Marines to organise the coup sure did ( http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/viewArticle.asp?articleID=223).

"In his message to Congress in December 1893, President Cleveland reported fully and accurately on the illegal acts of the conspirators. He described the event “as an act of war, committed with the ...[text shortened]... .

But apparently Hawai'i has an independence movement! Beware the rise of aloha-fascism...
Cleveland changed his mind in a later report, apparently after the Queen of Hawaii told him that, if restored to power, rather than grant amnesty to the sugar merchants she would behead them.

(but that's on wikipedia, maybe someone hacked the article.)

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Originally posted by zeeblebot
Cleveland changed his mind in a later report, apparently after the Queen of Hawaii told him that, if restored to power, rather than grant amnesty to the sugar merchants she would behead them.

(but that's on wikipedia, maybe someone hacked the article.)
That sounds like the sort of thing a sugar merchant would come up with...in a more prosaic fashion,

"In a letter to Sanford Dole, President Cleveland acknowledged the wrong and asked Dole to resign and restore the authority of the Hawaiian Kingdom. In his reply to the President, Dole refused. Instead, Hawai`i was proclaimed a Republic on July 4, 1894 with one goal in mind: annexation to the United States. The intensive lobbying efforts in the U.S. Congress by pro-annexationists convinced Congress that Hawai`i ’s strategic location in the Pacific would be beneficial to the United States and Hawai`i was annexed in 1898.

Since Hawai`i became the 50th State in 1959, the tremendous economic, political and social changes of the 19th century continued into the 20 th as land, native language, culture, and political sovereignty were denied to the Hawaiian people. Determined to preserve their cultural identity, Hawaiians today look to the 21st century as a new beginning for self-determination and self-governance."

Summary: the people of Hawai'i weren't strong enough to resist colonisation. Into the melting pot with them! (The USA wasn't alone in its infamy--similar stunts were pulled by Tsarist Russia, the British Empire, Belgium, etc. Of course most of Russia and the UK's colonies are now independent!)

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liliuokalani

"The administration of Grover Cleveland commissioned the Blount Report, and based on its findings believed that the overthrow of Liliʻuokalani was illegal and offered November 16, 1893 to give the throne back to her if she granted amnesty to everyone responsible. She initially refused, saying that she would have them beheaded. With this development, then-President Grover Cleveland sent the issue to the United States Congress. Although she changed her mind on December 18, 1893, and U.S. Minister Willis demanded her reinstatement by the Provisional Government, the Provisional Government refused. Congress responded to Cleveland's referral with another investigation, and submitted the Morgan Report by the U.S. Senate on February 26, 1894, which exonerated both Minister Stevens and the U.S. troops from any responsibility for the overthrow. On July 4, 1894, the Republic of Hawaiʻi was proclaimed and Sanford B. Dole, one of the first people who originally called on the institution of the monarchy to be abolished, became President. It was recognized immediately by the United States government."

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Originally posted by zeeblebot
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liliuokalani

"The administration of Grover Cleveland commissioned the Blount Report, and based on its findings believed that the overthrow of Liliʻuokalani was illegal and offered November 16, 1893 to give the throne back to her if she granted amnesty to everyone responsible. She initially refused, saying that she would ...[text shortened]... abolished, became President. It was recognized immediately by the United States government."
As a sovereign she was within her rights to apply the law of her country! What do you get if you try to overthrow the government in the USA? (Of course the troops were exonerated...the Hawaians tried to overthrow themselves...happens all the time...)

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Originally posted by Bosse de Nage
As a sovereign she was within her rights to apply the law of her country! What do you get if you try to overthrow the government in the USA? (Of course the troops were exonerated...the Hawaians tried to overthrow themselves...happens all the time...)
she wasn't sovereign anymore ...

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Originally posted by zeeblebot
she wasn't sovereign anymore ...
Fait accompli, case closed! The system works like a charm.

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