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  1. 05 Nov '12 20:14 / 1 edit
    On this date was born America's greatest political candidate who never won an election - Eugene Debs, perennial socialist candidate for President.

    He ran for President 5 times, once taking six percent of the vote nationally (almost exactly 100 years ago that happened). He was sentenced to 10 years of prison for speaking against World War I. As he said in that speech:


    “Your Honor,years ago I recognized my kinship with all living beings, and I made up my mind that I was not one bit better than the meanest on earth. I said then, and I say now, that while there is a lower class, I am in it, and while there is a criminal element I am of it, and while there is a soul in prison, I am not free.”

    He ran for office while in prison. Again, he never held office, but he and the movement behind him brought to national political discourse the framework for reforms which would eventually be implemented, and for which many of us now take for granted.
  2. 05 Nov '12 21:09
    Originally posted by Kunsoo
    On this date was born America's greatest political candidate who never won an election - Eugene Debs, perennial socialist candidate for President.

    He ran for President 5 times, once taking six percent of the vote nationally (almost exactly 100 years ago that happened). He was sentenced to 10 years of prison for speaking against World War I. As he said in ...[text shortened]... r reforms which would eventually be implemented, and for which many of us now take for granted.
    While I am pleased to know that someone else remembers Eugene Victor Debs,
    when I first noticed 'Happy Debs Day', I wondered why you seemed to be
    congratulating debutantes today!
  3. 05 Nov '12 22:29
    Originally posted by Duchess64
    While I am pleased to know that someone else remembers Eugene Victor Debs,
    when I first noticed 'Happy Debs Day', I wondered why you seemed to be
    congratulating debutantes today!
    Well, I don't exactly remember him. I didn't learn much about him until I was an adult, but that's largely because my grandparents were in the Communist Party, and they looked upon social democrats very unfavorably.

    Celebrating debutants? There was Jessica Mitford. The CP even celebrated her.
  4. 06 Nov '12 22:43 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by Kunsoo
    Well, I don't exactly remember him. I didn't learn much about him until I
    was an adult, but that's largely because my grandparents were in the Communist
    Party, and they looked upon social democrats very unfavorably.

    Celebrating debutants? There was Jessica Mitford. The CP even celebrated her.
    Before he became Prime Minister, an upper-class Englishwoman (who was on the
    left of the Labour Party) told me that Tony Blair as a 'sold-out' Social Democrat.

    Some former debutantes (or young ladies from privileged families) later have
    embraced political causes that were not expected from people of their background.
    Countess Markiewicz (nee Constance Georgine Gore-Booth) (1868-1927) became
    a fiery Irish nationalist revolutionary, a socialist, and a suffragist. Should she
    and Gertrude Bell have been invited to the same table at dinner?
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    06 Nov '12 22:45
    Originally posted by Duchess64
    While I am pleased to know that someone else remembers Eugene Victor Debs,
    when I first noticed 'Happy Debs Day', I wondered why you seemed to be
    congratulating debutantes today!
    Yummm dirty debutantes...
  6. 06 Nov '12 22:58
    Originally posted by Kunsoo
    Well, I don't exactly remember him. I didn't learn much about him until I was an adult, but that's largely because my grandparents were in the Communist Party, and they looked upon social democrats very unfavorably.

    Celebrating debutants? There was Jessica Mitford. The CP even celebrated her.
    And there was Unity Mitford. But the Communists probably didn't celebrate her...
  7. 06 Nov '12 23:12
    Originally posted by Teinosuke to Kunsoo
    And there was Unity Mitford. But the Communists probably didn't celebrate her...
    In terms of their political views, the Mitford sisters (with Jessica on the far left,
    and Unity and Diana, who married Osward Mosley, the leader of the British Union
    of Fascists, on the far right) remind me of South Africa's Breytenbach brothers
    (with Breyten on the far left, Jan on the far right, and Cloete in the middle).
  8. 07 Nov '12 03:35
    I thought you wrote Happy Debt Day, predicting Obama's victory.