Happy Mother's day

Originally posted by sh76
Interestingly, I got this email from Obama For America* today:

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Mad Men came to an end last night. (Don't worry -- no spoilers here.)

I'm writing today because it's past time to put the workplace policies from the 1960s behind us, too.

The United States is the only developed nation in the world that does not offer paid leave for new mothers, an ...[text shortened]... r state Senate and I guess that got me on these Dem mailing lists, so I get these OFA emails....

""paid leave is a worker's right, not a privilege"

Oy"

you people think guns are a right, but paid sick leave is not? you people are hilarious.

Originally posted by Zahlanzi
""paid leave is a worker's right, not a privilege"

Oy"

you people think guns are a right, but paid sick leave is not? you people are hilarious.

You're confused, nobody thinks guns are a right.

Originally posted by Wajoma
Can't feed em? Don't breed em.

That is one solution. A similar solution to crime would be to stop committing crimes, while pollution can be easily abolished by not polluting.

Originally posted by KazetNagorra
What does being means-tested or not have to do with it?

If it's not means tested, then the program is paying even when it is NOT the case that the parents "cannot cope financially otherwise."

Originally posted by Zahlanzi
""paid leave is a worker's right, not a privilege"

Oy"

you people think guns are a right, but paid sick leave is not? you people are hilarious.

You have "rights" to your own stuff and your own safety and your own freedom. You don't "rights" to other people's stuff.

Nobody I know thinks anyone has a right to be provided with a gun by the government. Gun rights protect your right to possess your OWN gun. Paid leave is a right to stuff that belongs to someone else; i.e., the employer.

Please, oh please, tell me that you understand this distinction.

Originally posted by Zahlanzi
you don't think it somewhat diminishes one's dignity being forced to go to work on monday after pushing a human being out of their body on sunday?

The FMLA already requires employers to give up to 12 weeks unpaid leave for maternity or paternity. The question here is paid leave vs. unpaid leave. Forcing paid leave is forcing someone else to pay you money for not working. The government had better have a darn compelling reason before it does something as heavy handed as that.

Originally posted by Wajoma
You're confused, nobody thinks guns are a right.

awesome then.
glad to be wrong on this.

Originally posted by sh76
You have "rights" to your own stuff and your own safety and your own freedom. You don't "rights" to other people's stuff.

Nobody I know thinks anyone has a right to be provided with a gun by the government. Gun rights protect your right to possess your OWN gun. Paid leave is a right to stuff that belongs to someone else; i.e., the employer.

Please, oh please, tell me that you understand this distinction.

"Paid leave is a right to stuff that belongs to someone else; i.e., the employer."
social security pays for it. the employer doesn't

"You have "rights" to your own stuff and your own safety and your own freedom."
it is a right to have children. it is a right to be able to work. it is a right to work in safety.

Originally posted by sh76
The FMLA already requires employers to give up to 12 weeks unpaid leave for maternity or paternity. The question here is paid leave vs. unpaid leave. Forcing paid leave is forcing someone else to pay you money for not working. The government had better have a darn compelling reason before it does something as heavy handed as that.

"The FMLA already requires employers to give up to 12 weeks unpaid leave for maternity or paternity"
when you are working minimum wage, that is not an option.

"Forcing paid leave is forcing someone else to pay you money for not working."
the mother/father is working. one is raising a baby in a crucial stage of its development. the child who will pay your pension.

the fact that they get maternity leave now saves the state money in healthcare later towards both the mother and the child. oh wait, you don't want to provide that either.

"The government had better have a darn compelling reason before it does something as heavy handed as that"
human decency. that's pretty compelling reason.

pfff, heavy handed. that's funny.

Originally posted by Zahlanzi
you don't think it somewhat diminishes one's dignity being forced to go to work on monday after pushing a human being out of their body on sunday?

Employers do the hiring and firing. They contract with the worker how much they will pay in return for a certain amount of work. No one should be forced to do anything concerning employment in my opinion and apparently in the opinion of Christ Jesus.

“For the kingdom of heaven is like a landowner who went out early in the morning to hire laborers for his vineyard. Now when he had agreed with the laborers for a denarius a day, he sent them into his vineyard. And he went out about the third hour and saw others standing idle in the marketplace, and said to them, ‘You also go into the vineyard, and whatever is right I will give you.’ So they went. Again he went out about the sixth and the ninth hour, and did likewise. And about the eleventh hour he went out and found others standing idle, and said to them, ‘Why have you been standing here idle all day?’ They said to him, ‘Because no one hired us.’ He said to them, ‘You also go into the vineyard, and whatever is right you will receive.’

“So when evening had come, the owner of the vineyard said to his steward, ‘Call the laborers and give them their wages, beginning with the last to the first.’ And when those came who were hired about the eleventh hour, they each received a denarius. But when the first came, they supposed that they would receive more; and they likewise received each a denarius. And when they had received it, they complained against the landowner, saying, ‘These last men have worked only one hour, and you made them equal to us who have borne the burden and the heat of the day.’ But he answered one of them and said, ‘Friend, I am doing you no wrong. Did you not agree with me for a denarius? Take what is yours and go your way. I wish to give to this last man the same as to you. Is it not lawful for me to do what I wish with my own things? Or is your eye evil because I am good?’ So the last will be first, and the first last. For many are called, but few chosen.”

(Matthew 20:1-16 New King James Version NKJV)

Originally posted by Zahlanzi
""paid leave is a worker's right, not a privilege"

Oy"

you people think guns are a right, but paid sick leave is not? you people are hilarious.

Only if written in the contract, mattie. 😏

Originally posted by sh76
The FMLA already requires employers to give up to 12 weeks unpaid leave for maternity or paternity. The question here is paid leave vs. unpaid leave. Forcing paid leave is forcing someone else to pay you money for not working. The government had better have a darn compelling reason before it does something as heavy handed as that.

That would be like the government stealing money from employers and giving it only to a specific class of empoyees for doing no work for the employers. Doen't seem right to me.

Originally posted by Zahlanzi
so we should let walmart for example decide for itself if it wants to give the cashier paid maternity leave or not? in whose interest will walmart decide?

"Perhaps forcing employers to offer paid maternity leave encourages unspoken discrimination against women who are or may become pregnant in employment decisions."
so you treat women badly in order to not treat women badly? is that what you are saying?

If Walmart is the employer, they should decide what they will do with their things, like Christ said. Perhaps, giving paid leave would be considered by Walmart to be in their interest and the right thing to do. Who knows?

Originally posted by Zahlanzi
sorry this is a little late

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zIhKAQX5izw

May 10th, honoring mothers everywhere (US at least). Mothers are the best , wouldn't you agree? they deserve the very best. As long as it is not too inconvenient to provide.

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2014/dec/03/-sp-america-only-developed-country-paid-maternity-leave ...[text shortened]... ea are the only countries that don't offer paid maternity leave. Isn't it a grand club to be in?

From the leftist perspective:

Why give a woman special privilege because she didn't have an abortion?

Right wing perspective:

Let the person work out an individual agreement when the person starts employment.

Originally posted by KazetNagorra
Simple solution: taxpayer-funded maternity/paternity leave.

That's a simple solution to everything, until the taxpayers say enough.

How did I get along without all this stuff? 😀