@no1marauder saidNumerous safeguards? What safeguards?
Being aware of the numerous safeguards in the system that presently exist makes me extremely skeptical that there could be widespread, systemic fraud that was not detected by election officials.
Has anybody explained how they work or are you just accepting hearsay as fact without confirmation? Heck, do you really even know that these safeguards exist?
What is your source of information?
@metal-brain saidBecause there is zero evidence of wide spread organised fraud, absolute zero evidence.
How do you know that? Did you consult your Ouija board?
If your not lying like Trump then you need to present some evidence of widespread organised voter fraud because that’s the only way to alter the election result in favour of the Kremlin. Saying anything is possible is not evidence of anything.
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Trump should just concede and move on, like every other POTUS has done in the past. He will not be remembered in History in a good light. He is like a child right now having a tantrum eventually he will get it no matter what fuel he tries to add to the fire he is gone. He is causing more people to die by not doing a peaceful transition so the new Biden Team can move forward. There are things they should know. How many lives are Trump putting in danger by his childish attitude is unknown at this point?
-VR
@Metal-Brain
You don't do math very well do you? If they misscount a dozen votes it won't swing an election if the numbers on one side are a thousand votes more than the other.
Get over it, no amount of mewling and crying will change the fact Biden won and they can recount a hundred times and the result will still be the same.
@kevcvs57 saidIs there ever evidence of wide spread organised fraud in any election in world history? As I pointed out, many dictatorships masquerade as democracies. That is why they hold elections.
Because there is zero evidence of wide spread organised fraud, absolute zero evidence.
If your not lying like Trump then you need to present some evidence of widespread organised voter fraud because that’s the only way to alter the election result in favour of the Kremlin. Saying anything is possible is not evidence of anything.
https://www.redhotpawn.com/forum/debates/saddam-husseins-elections-vs-us-elections.187337
How do you know you are not living in a dictatorship masquerading as a democracy? Have dictatorships been exposed very often for rigging their elections?
Has the DPRK ever had anyone provide evidence of wide spread organised fraud? If there is never evidence in world history of wide spread organised fraud your whole point is irrelevant. If the DPRK and Saddam's Iraq never got caught why would you expect election rigging to be exposed here?
You have to show a world history of wide spread organised fraud exposed to use it as a "theory of proof" worth considering. How often do election rigging conspirators get caught in dictatorships masquerading as democracies? We all know it happens.
@very-rusty saidA hand recount will happen in Georgia first. Be patient. If the vote from a recount will not change much as Biden supporters claim DJT will likely concede.
Trump should just concede and move on, like every other POTUS has done in the past. He will not be remembered in History in a good light. He is like a child right now having a tantrum eventually he will get it no matter what fuel he tries to add to the fire he is gone. He is causing more people to die by not doing a peaceful transition so the new Biden Team can move forwar ...[text shortened]... How many lives are Trump putting in danger by his childish attitude is unknown at this point?
-VR
@sonhouse saidThen you have no reason to do a hissy fit about it. Let DJT shoot himself in the foot before he gets kicked out of the WH. Do you really care if he makes a fool out of himself? Let him do it, otherwise he may run and win in 2024.
@Metal-Brain
You don't do math very well do you? If they misscount a dozen votes it won't swing an election if the numbers on one side are a thousand votes more than the other.
Get over it, no amount of mewling and crying will change the fact Biden won and they can recount a hundred times and the result will still be the same.
You don't secretly care about Trump and want him to avoid embarrassment, do you?
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@metal-brain said“ How do you know you are not living in a dictatorship masquerading as a democracy? Have dictat ...[text shortened]... igging conspirators get caught in dictatorships masquerading as democracies? We all know it happens.”
Is there ever evidence of wide spread organised fraud in any election in world history? As I pointed out, many dictatorships masquerade as democracies. That is why they hold elections.
https://www.redhotpawn.com/forum/debates/saddam-husseins-elections-vs-us-elections.187337
How do you know you are not living in a dictatorship masquerading as a democracy? Have dictat ...[text shortened]... igging conspirators get caught in dictatorships masquerading as democracies? We all know it happens.
Because I’m not from Russia or Belarus. Election fraud is almost always noticed and pointed out but in dictatorships like the ones I’ve mentioned the dictator supported by leech like cronies and a police state simply ignore the evidence and carry on.
The difference in the US 2020 election is the complete lack of evidence for fraud. The only attempted fraud against democracy is Trump ignoring the will of the people and refusing to allow the transition period to start. He doesn’t even have to concede he could just allow the Biden team to access the levers of transition like every other outgoing POTUS in modern history.
Out of interest if the votes did change in great enough numbers to give trump the White House again how would we know that that wasn’t the electoral fraud?
Or are you really just trying ( and failing abysmally) to render democracy per se null and void.
@metal-brain saidPlease. He's already twitted regarding Georgia's recount:
A hand recount will happen in Georgia first. Be patient. If the vote from a recount will not change much as Biden supporters claim DJT will likely concede.
"Their recount is a scam, means nothing."
https://www.newsweek.com/georgia-trump-supporters-some-armed-protest-election-amid-states-voting-recount-1547559
His little boy ego will never allow him to publicly admit he was beaten in the election.
@Metal-Brain
Why then do you keep putting up this deal with vote counts? I is only NOW that Trump decided it would be a way to cheap us out of the votes.
I can only assume YOU also want T to cheat and to make sure T somehow gets to the second inauguration like Pompeo said.
You are very transparent.
@kevcvs57 said"dictatorships like the ones I’ve mentioned the dictator supported by leech like cronies and a police state simply ignore the evidence and carry on."
“ How do you know you are not living in a dictatorship masquerading as a democracy? Have dictat igging conspirators get caught in dictatorships masquerading as democracies? We all know it happens.”
Because I’m not from Russia or Belarus. Election fraud is almost always noticed and pointed out but in dictatorships like the ones I’ve mentioned the dictator supported by leec ...[text shortened]... d?
Or are you really just trying ( and failing abysmally) to render democracy per se null and void.
The Antrim county vote flipping scandal is probable cause and you are ignoring it.
"The difference in the US 2020 election is the complete lack of evidence for fraud."
There is evidence of fraud. There always is. The only question is how much. Evidence of fraud is not unfounded as the corp news media lied to us all about. Then they started changing it to "widespread" fraud so their previous lies would not be as noticeable.
Allow a recount in Michigan. What harm could it do? If vote fraud is so insignificant we should all have it proved to us with a recount. That way Trump will be exposed for what you claim he is and Biden will not have his legitimacy questioned.
@no1marauder saidDid he say why?
Please. He's already twitted regarding Georgia's recount:
"Their recount is a scam, means nothing."
https://www.newsweek.com/georgia-trump-supporters-some-armed-protest-election-amid-states-voting-recount-1547559
His little boy ego will never allow him to publicly admit he was beaten in the election.
@metal-brain saidTrump lost Michigan by almost 150,000 votes. A recount there would be a total waste of time and money.
"dictatorships like the ones I’ve mentioned the dictator supported by leech like cronies and a police state simply ignore the evidence and carry on."
The Antrim county vote flipping scandal is probable cause and you are ignoring it.
"The difference in the US 2020 election is the complete lack of evidence for fraud."
There is evidence of fraud. There always is. T ...[text shortened]... ay Trump will be exposed for what you claim he is and Biden will not have his legitimacy questioned.
@no1marauder saidI'm sure dictatorships around the world say the same thing when people allege election rigging. There is probable cause for a recount here in MI.
Trump lost Michigan by almost 150,000 votes. A recount there would be a total waste of time and money.
Requiring hard evidence is a silly criteria. All evidence of election fraud is found after recounts. All that should be required is probable cause. We have that in MI.
People that rig elections hide evidence so it is almost impossible to get it handed to you. It is found by investigating and it is suppressed by not investigating. That is how it really works.