@no1marauder said"what is your objection to Biden trying to strengthen the position of Ukraine vis-a-vis Russia?"
Then I'm not sure what exactly is your point.
If you're now conceding that in their present positions neither wants to negotiate, what is your objection to Biden trying to strengthen the position of Ukraine vis-a-vis Russia?
Russia might nuke Ukraine. Is that how Biden is going to strengthen the position of Ukraine?
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/putin-issues-warning-us-with-new-nuclear-doctrine-2024-11-19/
@Metal-Brain saidNo, they won't just because Ukraine is hitting military targets close to the border and has gotten some land mines.
"what is your objection to Biden trying to strengthen the position of Ukraine vis-a-vis Russia?"
Russia might nuke Ukraine. Is that how Biden is going to strengthen the position of Ukraine?
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/putin-issues-warning-us-with-new-nuclear-doctrine-2024-11-19/
@Metal-Brain saidGiving up those nukes in 1994 is looking pretty stupid, ain't it? 😆
Russia might nuke Ukraine.
The lesson from Ukraine to the rest of the world is extraordinarily clear:
"Get nukes as fast as you can and by any means necessary or you will not survive. NO ONE WILL HELP YOU!"
Iran has heard the message. So has every other nation on the planet.
Now, go on. Tell me about how nuclear war is made LESS likely through appeasement! 😆
@spruce112358 saidOnly assuming Ukraine would not have used them. But even if they kept them Russia has far more nukes than Ukraine had.
Giving up those nukes in 1994 is looking pretty stupid, ain't it? 😆
@Metal-Brain saidThe ability to succeed in a nuclear strike on the opposing capital keeps any nation safe. Don't need a lotta nukes. Just a few well-aimed ones. 😀
Only assuming Ukraine would not have used them. But even if they kept them Russia has far more nukes than Ukraine had.
@spruce112358 saidIn truth, the weapons were under operational control of Moscow anyway and it's doubtful Ukraine could have used them anyway.
Giving up those nukes in 1994 is looking pretty stupid, ain't it? 😆
And Ukraine had already signed the Lisbon Protocol to START I in 1992 which committed it to becoming a non-nuclear weapon state under the auspices of the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budapest_Memorandum