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  1. 31 Jan '12 02:04
    http://teresamerica.blogspot.com/2011/09/obamacares-sterilization-and.html

    The new health care legislation, HHS, seeks to force church institutions to buy contraceptives, including drugs that can disrupt an existing pregnancy, through insurance they offer their own employees. This is part of HHS's anticipated list of preventative services for women that private insurance programs must provide under the new health reform law.

    In the article it mentions free health clinics, like the one in Pittsburg that will soon close down rather than violate theological teachings.

    So what say you? Is the fascist Obama dictatorship seeking to squash all liberties known to man in the right here or is it the Catholic church?
  2. 31 Jan '12 02:08
    Originally posted by whodey
    http://teresamerica.blogspot.com/2011/09/obamacares-sterilization-and.html

    The new health care legislation, HHS, seeks to force church institutions to buy contraceptives, including drugs that can disrupt an existing pregnancy, through insurance they offer their own employees. This is part of HHS's anticipated list of preventative services for women that p ...[text shortened]... eeking to squash all liberties known to man in the right here or is it the Catholic church?
    Maybe the Church's beliefs are so backwards they don't belong in modern medical business. It's more important to me that women's medical needs be covered than preventing the Pope's feathers from getting ruffled.
  3. 31 Jan '12 02:30
    Originally posted by Kunsoo
    Maybe the Church's beliefs are so backwards they don't belong in modern medical business. It's more important to me that women's medical needs be covered than preventing the Pope's feathers from getting ruffled.
    I may be completely off base, but last time I looked, Catholics included a lot of women, not just the Pope. And there is a little thing called the 1st amendment.
  4. 31 Jan '12 02:34
    Originally posted by Kunsoo
    Maybe the Church's beliefs are so backwards they don't belong in modern medical business. It's more important to me that women's medical needs be covered than preventing the Pope's feathers from getting ruffled.
    Are you a ban the burqa kind of guy?
  5. 31 Jan '12 02:35
    Originally posted by normbenign
    I may be completely off base, but last time I looked, Catholics included a lot of women, not just the Pope. And there is a little thing called the 1st amendment.
    Obama refers to it as the 1rst suggestion.
  6. 31 Jan '12 02:38
    Originally posted by Kunsoo
    Maybe the Church's beliefs are so backwards they don't belong in modern medical business. .
    Maybe Obama's beliefs are so contrary to American liberty that he should be escorted to the border.....where he can walk back across unmolested, that is.
  7. 31 Jan '12 02:40
    Originally posted by whodey
    Maybe Obama's beliefs are so contrary to American liberty that he should be escorted to the border.....where he can walk back across unmolested, that is.
    What border? Kenya?
  8. 31 Jan '12 02:42
    Originally posted by normbenign
    What border? Kenya?
    Does it matter?
  9. 31 Jan '12 02:48 / 2 edits
    All I can say Mr. Obama is, you know all those Mexicans you are letting to cross the border? They be Catholic!!
  10. Subscriber no1marauder
    It's Nice to Be Nice
    31 Jan '12 02:48
    Originally posted by normbenign
    I may be completely off base, but last time I looked, Catholics included a lot of women, not just the Pope. And there is a little thing called the 1st amendment.
    The vast majority of Catholic women in the US have used artificial contraception at one point or another during their lives.

    If the church thinks that the regulations violate the 1st Amendment, they can go to court. I doubt they will be successful; the regulations exempt true religious entities like churches.
  11. 31 Jan '12 02:51
    Originally posted by no1marauder
    The vast majority of Catholic women in the US have used artificial contraception at one point or another during their lives.

    If the church thinks that the regulations violate the 1st Amendment, they can go to court. I doubt they will be successful; the regulations exempt true religious entities like churches.
    I'm sure the DC stooges appointed in the judicial system will protect the rights of the church just like they do the Moroms in Utah who wish to marry more than one wife.
  12. 31 Jan '12 02:53
    Originally posted by normbenign
    I may be completely off base, but last time I looked, Catholics included a lot of women, not just the Pope. And there is a little thing called the 1st amendment.
    Catholics include a lot of women who can all choose for themselves whether or not they use birth control.

    I don't believe in exemptions from the law on the basis of religion.
  13. Subscriber no1marauder
    It's Nice to Be Nice
    31 Jan '12 02:53
    Originally posted by whodey
    I'm sure the DC stooges appointed in the judicial system will protect the rights of the church just like they do the Moroms in Utah who wish to marry more than one wife.
    The Church has no rights.
  14. 31 Jan '12 03:03
    Originally posted by no1marauder
    The vast majority of Catholic women in the US have used artificial contraception at one point or another during their lives.

    If the church thinks that the regulations violate the 1st Amendment, they can go to court. I doubt they will be successful; the regulations exempt true religious entities like churches.
    I don't know what the vast majority of Catholic women do.
  15. 31 Jan '12 03:04
    Originally posted by no1marauder
    The Church has no rights.
    You got that right.

    Then again, what if the church were gay?