13 Oct 08
We are a bunch of strange people.
- Salute with your hands like the Romans did and you are called a Nazi.
- Greet someone with "Sich Heil" in Germany and you will be arrested.
- State that Adolf Hitler was responsible for many good things and most of the community immediatly thinks you are the devil himself.
- etc, etc, etc
Why is it, that we still allow Adolf Hitler and the Nazi-regim to have a negative influence on modern society?
For the record.
I also really dislike the things that happened in WW II, and are in no way a fan of the hate and pain caused by the actions of Hitler and the Nazi-regim
13 Oct 08
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Originally posted by MetBierOpIt seems like I am not able to edit my original post..
We are a bunch of strange people.
- Salute with your hands like the Romans did and you are called a Nazi.
- Greet someone with "Sich Heil" in Germany and you will be arrested.
- State that Adolf Hitler was responsible for many good things and most of the community immediatly thinks you are the devil himself.
- etc, etc, etc
Why is it, that we sti ...[text shortened]... nd are in no way a fan of the hate and pain caused by the actions of Hitler and the Nazi-regim
However no replies to the earlier statement must be a good thing.
At least I think it is.
My intended edit, would be to clarify that I am anti-racist.
I think it could be read in a different manner.
13 Oct 08
Originally posted by MetBierOpThe same way we tend not to remember the brilliance of paedophiles or serial killers or rapists. No one really wants to know how wonderful any really antisocial person was.
Why is it, that we still allow Adolf Hitler and the Nazi-regim to have a negative influence on modern society? ................For the record. I also really dislike the things that happened in WW II, and are in no way a fan of the hate and pain caused by the actions of Hitler and the Nazi-regim
Hitler's record, first with entertaining, and then implementing the "final solution" sort of takes the shine off anything he may have achieved. And whether you like that or not, most people don't want to shower praise on him. Go figure!
14 Oct 08
Originally posted by kmax87He does have a point though.
The same way we tend not to remember the brilliance of paedophiles or serial killers or rapists. No one really wants to know how wonderful any really antisocial person was.
Hitler's record, first with entertaining, and then implementing the "final solution" sort of takes the shine off anything he may have achieved. And whether you like that or not, most people don't want to shower praise on him. Go figure!
Motorways (highways) are a terrific "nazi" design. Don't know if Hitler himself could take credit for it though.
As far as Buddhist symbols being stolen by the nazis and Roman tactics and greetings... I think one can safely presume Hitler pretty much screwed them over.
Not to mention that the Romans weren't the nicest of folk either...
14 Oct 08
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Originally posted by shavixmirThere were Autobahns before Hitler.
Motorways (highways) are a terrific "nazi" design. Don't know if Hitler himself could take credit for it though.
As far as Buddhist symbols being stolen by the nazis and Roman tactics and greetings... I think one can safely presume Hitler pretty much screwed them over.
They took also over symbols of the old Nordic gods, and the runes.
14 Oct 08
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Q. Hey, how big is the Netherlands?
A. Like 30 minutes by tank
Dang!
Yeah, Hitler (with the help of millions of Germans and other nationalities*) screwed all symbols used. But I'm afraid you're going where the stupid and ignorant teen skinheads go. So let's make it clear: The answer is NO, nobody wears or uses the swastika because of its original meaning, and NO, nobody salutes with the arm extended because of the Romans... and NO, nobody wears 88 tattoos because how "pretty" number it is.
Let's not feed crap to ourselves.
* Let's also not forget that Hitler was not like a genius devil, almighty. The guy pretty much did what he did with the help of millions. They all are to blame... the new generations as well? Now there's a nice debate.
14 Oct 08
Originally posted by kmax87Yes! this is exactly the point I am after.
The same way we tend not to remember the brilliance of paedophiles or serial killers or rapists. No one really wants to know how wonderful any really antisocial person was.
Hitler's record, first with entertaining, and then implementing the "final solution" sort of takes the shine off anything he may have achieved. And whether you like that or not, most people don't want to shower praise on him. Go figure!
Why can we not accept in our mind, that a serial killer / rapist. Is a brilliant person?
In my opinion that does'nt mean we like the (wo)man, or that we agree in anything they do. Why is it that our mind will not agree to separate these things.
What is wrong with saying he is a brilliant person.
I also hate him. He is evil?
14 Oct 08
Originally posted by SeitseI understand that nobody wears swastika because of it's original meaning. I understand the public repulsion of all the symbols used. Although I can grisp a understanding of this.
Q. Hey, how big is the Netherlands?
A. Like 30 minutes by tank
Dang!
Yeah, Hitler (with the help of millions of Germans and other nationalities*) screwed all symbols used. But I'm afraid you're going where the stupid and ignorant teen skinheads go. So let's make it clear: The answer is NO, nobody wears or uses the swastika because of its original meani ...[text shortened]... llions. They all are to blame... the new generations as well? Now there's a nice debate.
I do not agree that we are doing this.
And no, I am not admiring Hitler. Or use/have any of the symbols or actions mentioned. I want to have a discussion why we cannot separate good actions and bad actions from each other. We have to label everything according to our perception. Even when facts clearly state different. I used Hitler's name because his cruelty and actions are the worst known in the previous century. Therefore (almost) everybody is repulsed by his name and sets a filter accordingly.
14 Oct 08
Originally posted by Bosse de NageI want to have a discussion why we cannot separate good actions and bad actions from each other. We have to label everything according to our perception. Even when facts clearly state different. I used Hitler's name because his cruelty and actions are the worst known in the previous century.
I'm not really sure what you're trying to get at. Hitler was a brilliant demagogue, but his talents were misdirected. And?
14 Oct 08
Originally posted by MetBierOpOK, why don't you get the discussion started? Can you separate Hitler's 'good actions' from his 'bad actions'?
I want to have a discussion why we cannot separate good actions and bad actions from each other. We have to label everything according to our perception. Even when facts clearly state different. I used Hitler's name because his cruelty and actions are the worst known in the previous century.
14 Oct 08
Originally posted by MetBierOpBecause there are still Neo-Nazis which still use the same symbols and argue that Hitler did many good things.
We are a bunch of strange people.
- Salute with your hands like the Romans did and you are called a Nazi.
- Greet someone with "Sich Heil" in Germany and you will be arrested.
- State that Adolf Hitler was responsible for many good things and most of the community immediatly thinks you are the devil himself.
- etc, etc, etc
Why is it, that we still allow Adolf Hitler and the Nazi-regim to have a negative influence on modern society?
Case closed.