19 Nov 09
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/capitol-briefing/2009/11/calling_election_stolen_hoffma.html
Calling election stolen, Hoffman rescinds concession in New York
By Garance Franke-Ruta
For the second time this week, Conservative Party congressional candidate Douglas L. Hoffman sought to rescind his concession in the special election in New York's 23rd district, telling supporters that new information showing the results of the election closer than believed on election night made him reevaluate his decision to throw in the towel.
"I am therefore revoking my statement of concession," he wrote in a fundraising letter titled "Stop Another Stolen Election!" and posted on his Web site Wednesday night.
"ACORN and the unions did their best to try and sway the results to Obamacare supporter Bill Owens," he told supporters, naming the Democrat who claimed victory and has been seated in the House of Representatives, though election results will not be certified until next month. "I was forced to concede after receiving two pieces of grim news - - down 5,335 votes with 93 percent of the vote counted on election night -- and barely won my stronghold in Oswego County. On Election Night, the information we received was far different from what we received this week!"
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19 Nov 09
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Originally posted by FMFWhether he's in fact a loser now seems to be unclear, although it's still likely that he lost.
Extra! Extra! Read all about it! Election loser calls foul as supporters of his opponent support his opponent.
http://www.jbs.org/jbs-news-feed/5662-new-developments-in-ny-23-congressional-election
I certainly don't blame him for wanting all the votes to be counted and for being annoyed that he conceded based on faulty info and that he opponent was sworn in before it's clear who the winner is.
If he's still behind once all the votes are counted, then he'll probably concede and go away. If he doesn't do so at that point, then you'll have something to rip him on.
20 Nov 09
Originally posted by sh76Sure. Wait for the votes to be counted. Who could argue with that? But what's with the pre-emptive insinuations of fraud?
If he's still behind once all the votes are counted, then he'll probably concede and go away. If he doesn't do so at that point, then you'll have something to rip him on.
20 Nov 09
Originally posted by sh76Well one can rip him for http://www.doughoffmanforcongress.com/stolenelection.html
If he doesn't do so at that point, then you'll have something to rip him on.
What a supremely grotty letter!
He makes what may be a strong case sound like obnoxious pouting lashing out.
I wonder if people knew these - his true colours - when they voted for him.
20 Nov 09
Originally posted by FMFRecent developments leave me to wonder who is scheming behind closed doors, twisting arms and stealing elections from the voters of NY-23.
Well one can rip him for http://www.doughoffmanforcongress.com/stolenelection.html
What a supremely grotty letter!
He makes what may be a strong case sound like obnoxious pouting lashing out.
I wonder if people knew these - his true colours - when they voted for him.
Yikes.
Never mind.
I revoke my support of Hoffman.
Then again, seems like he's just trying to get people to give him money, so maybe he's just saying whatever will inspire people to give him money.
Well, actually, that might make it worse...
I hope the FLA GOP remembers this and nominates Crist over Rubio.
20 Nov 09
Originally posted by sh76I considered focusing on his appeal for money in my previous post but elected to do a kind of broad outraged pouting instead.
seems like he's just trying to get people to give him money, so maybe he's just saying whatever will inspire people to give him money.
Well, actually, that might make it worse...
In fact, I wanted to ask: why does he need money? Can you not request recounts and the like without money? Is it to get 'lawyered up'? I am curious.
20 Nov 09
Originally posted by FMFYeah; it's not just asking for the recount. It's filing lawsuits demanding not only a recount but supervisors overseeing the recount, hiring people to oversee the overseers; having a staff of lawyers and election experts ready to challenge every questionable vote, etc., etc.
I considered focusing on his appeal for money in my previous post but elected to do a kind of broad outraged pouting instead.
In fact, I wanted to ask: why does he need money? Can you not request recounts and the like without money? Is it to get 'lawyered up'? I am curious.
The Florida mess in 2000 probably added millions of dollars to the FLA economy.
20 Nov 09
Originally posted by sh76maybe he's right, tho.
Recent developments leave me to wonder who is scheming behind closed doors, twisting arms and stealing elections from the voters of NY-23.
Yikes.
Never mind.
I revoke my support of Hoffman.
Then again, seems like he's just trying to get people to give him money, so maybe he's just saying whatever will inspire people to give him money.
We ...[text shortened]... might make it worse...
I hope the FLA GOP remembers this and nominates Crist over Rubio.
20 Nov 09
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Originally posted by FMFFranken Recount Effort Raises $2.1 Million Since Election Day
I considered focusing on his appeal for money in my previous post but elected to do a kind of broad outraged pouting instead.
In fact, I wanted to ask: why does he need money? Can you not request recounts and the like without money? Is it to get 'lawyered up'? I am curious.
Posted in Press Releases on December 4th, 2008
SAINT PAUL [12/04/08] “The Al Franken for Senate campaign today announced that $2.1 million had been raised for its recount effort, both directly by the campaign and through a joint fundraising committee with the Minnesota DFL Party (the Franken Recount Fund). As of November 24, the campaign and the joint fundraising committee had a combined $1.9 million cash on hand.
I believe you must have money to go through the motions, and all must get "lawyered up" to get the process moving forward.
As for Acorn, I think we all know by now they do have a bit of a smell coming from them when there is an election around.
That being said I think Hoffman might have taken it to the extreme just a bit.
All and all I don't think this is grounds for dropping support for him if you did support him.
20 Nov 09
Originally posted by zeeblebotWell, maybe. But no one can stand the guy who yells at the ref when he loses.
maybe he's right, tho.
Challenge all you like, but to yell about conspiracies without any evidence is bad sportsmanship.
(Sorry about the sports metaphors; but they work so well... 😉)